shortliner Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 If you're into railways, this is a good read, you will find the actions of the Chinese very interesting. http://www.thestar.com/business/2016/04/19/chinese-engineers-visit-ontarios-ring-of-fire-to-survey-possible-2b-railway-route.html A team of engineers from a subsidiary of the state-owned China Railway Construction Corp. surveyed a proposed 328-kilometre route last week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 And according to the BBC World Service the Chinese are planning a fleet of ships to utilize the North West Passage from Asia to Europe...... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 and building the Great Inter-Oceanic Nicaragua Waterway Canal, which will take bigger ships than the Panama.... <edited, I had the wrong country> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted April 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2016 I thought they had no money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I think you'll find they have $trillions from the US. Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Russ The Chinese seem to have more of our money than the Bank of England and likewise US dollars as since the 1980's we seem to send more and more to them each year! Plus they are playing the long game of securing supplies for the future, a cynic might say that the slump in Steel was engineered so that the competition can be eliminated! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 The Chinese are soon to start a line from the port of Laem Chabang (near Pattaya) Thailand all the way north through Laos to China, for freight traffic (Tat for export southbound and Thai rice northbound). http://theloadstar.co.uk/thai-railways-kunming-singapore-railway-freight-link/ They also have just started a high speed line from Bangkok to the northern city of Chiang Mai. http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/china-thailand-railway-project By the way, No country is short of money (ESPECIALLY the U.K.) - they (we) just ramp up the printing presses !!!!! Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 By the way, No country is short of money (ESPECIALLY the U.K.) - they (we) just ramp up the printing presses !!!!! Brit15 By printing more money you get to the situation of prewar Germany when if you found a suitcase full of money you would throw away the money and keep the suitcase! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Agree Mark - not a good strategy - but that's how it is. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 They've been involved in this sort of project for some time now- try Googling 'Tan-Zam Railway' for an early example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium skipepsi Posted April 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2016 They have a plan for the future an unknown concept here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 They have a plan for the future an unknown concept here. They have a plan for their future an unknown concept here. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It will all end in tears but its worth repeating what my US friend said at the time when Japan was buying up major buildings and infrastruture ."what are they gonna do ,take it back with em ?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It will all end in tears but its worth repeating what my US friend said at the time when Japan was buying up major buildings and infrastruture ."what are they gonna do ,take it back with em ?" That's EXACTLY what the Chinese are doing. Every new railway line / road / you name it infrastructure they finance and build outside China has a reason. As stated above, Thailand, a quicker route to the export market and food supply back home. Africa its raw materials, copper etc. They are buying up vast swathes of Australia as a source of food (for them) in future. From the original post (Canada) link rank Smeenk, CEO of Toronto-based mineral exploration company KWG Resources, said the rail line is crucial for the extraction of nickel, chromite, copper and platinum from the massive deposits. NOT daft are the Chinese. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 The Chinese are also involved in the UK with a big share in the new Hinkley power station plus other large projects that we seem to be unable to finance for ourselves despite being the fifth largest economy in the world. What leaves me uneasy is the recent discussions over the steel industry in which the poor quality of Chinese steel reinforcing bar was noted. Railway engines and rolling stock bought by Kiwirail also had a lot of mods before they were of an acceptable standard (lying about the asbestos content of the locos being one). It also seems to be a general belief that China is a wealthy country with an enormous balance of payments surplus, but there are frequent warnings of the bubble about to burst and underlying problems in their economy. They have also built up their military capability and with the recent building of bases in the South China Sea seem bent on taking what they want without regard for their neighbours. I don't see a happy ending to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It will be interesting to see what they do regarding structuring it as a "common carrier" or not (an industrial line) and whether it falls into "interstate commerce" (or Canadian equivalent). At least in the US, having an industrial line falls into one set of regulations and being a common carrier opens a whole new universe of regulators and regulations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It will be interesting to see what they do regarding structuring it as a "common carrier" or not (an industrial line) and whether it falls into "interstate commerce" (or Canadian equivalent). At least in the US, having an industrial line falls into one set of regulations and being a common carrier opens a whole new universe of regulators and regulations. While the article doesn't describe the route, it would seem that it's all within the province of Ontario. If it is, it's only provincial rules that would apply, not federal. When new coal mines were being developed in southeastern BC (1960s/70s), there was a proposal to build a line into the US to export coal. Since it would cross a provincial/national boundary, it was subject to all sorts of rules, and was refused. The scheme was reworked as two separate railways, one in BC and one in the US, each stopping half an inch from the boundary. (It still wasn't approved, though.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 ....What leaves me uneasy is the recent discussions over the steel industry in which the poor quality of Chinese steel reinforcing bar was noted...... It also affects their construction back home as well - there have been collapses, but the state control of the media means you don't really get to hear about them. Poor quality affects all sorts of other things, not just model railways, and have all sorts of repercussions. Probably the best-known recent scandals are: 1) Manganese Bronze, which made the archetypal London taxi, was introduced by Geely (a Chinese motor manufacturer) to another Chinese manufacturer of steering components that MB subsequently incorporated in its taxis. These components were flawed, and MB - already short of money - found it could not afford to recall and fix the flaws, so went into administration. Guess who now owns and builds the London taxi? Geely, who snapped up MB's assets for a mere £11 million. 2) Aston Martin, which was forced to recall quite a few years' worth of expensive sports cars after it was discovered that the Chinese-supplied plastic used in accelerator pedal arms was counterfeit! It also seems to be a general belief that China is a wealthy country with an enormous balance of payments surplus, but there are frequent warnings of the bubble about to burst and underlying problems in their economy. Ever wondered why they are buying up property in the UK and elsewhere? Or sending their children to be educated (and settle) in the Western world? It's a migration that's been happening under your noses for decades (centuries, in fact). My forebears came out of South Eastern China in the 19th century, settled in Malaya, then migrated again in the late 1950s to Britain. Others have gone to Australia, Canada, the US, Portugal.... If you haven't already, I strongly suggest you buy and thoroughly read a copy of this excellent book - it will give you a bit of an insight into how "we" think and operate. .... They have also built up their military capability and with the recent building of bases in the South China Sea seem bent on taking what they want without regard for their neighbours. I don't see a happy ending to this. It's pretty much a fait accompli as far as China is concerned in the South China Sea. These territorial claims are similar to what the late Colonel Gadaffi used to make in respect of the Gulf of Sidra in the 1970s, i.e. "We own all of it". By getting in and building their military bases for occupation, China is betting - correctly, I think - that the traditional powers won't come in and turf them out. They calculate that, given the massive costs that the US has incurred (and continues to incur) in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in the last fifteen years, and with Russia permanently opposed to Western foreign policy (such as it is), the Americans cannot really afford to open up a theatre of operations in yet another front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 What he says, above! http://vancouversun.com/life/vancouver-is-most-asian-city-outside-asia-what-are-the-ramifications Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 If you're into railways, You've got the wrong forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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