Hunslet Engine Co. works numbers

[Ruston]

Evening all,

 

I'm looking for a works list but I can't find one online and Don Townsley's excellent book on the company lists some locomotives but doesn't have a complete list.

 

I want to get a works plate made up for my 15" Hunslet so I would like to know if there are gaps in the works list that I could use a spare number from, rather than taking a number that was actually allocated to a known loco. The 15" 0-6-0STs appear to have been built between the years 1923 and 1947, so a works number suitable for any time in that span would suit.

 

Thanks.

[PGH]

These would appear to be spare numbers in the Hunslet works list following 15x20 0‑6‑0ST locos actually delivered:

 

1811 - follows 1810 of 1937 Airedale Collieries Ltd., CORONATION

1829 - follows 1828 of 1937 Mersey Docks & Harbour Board No.8

1903 - follows 1902 of 1938 New Fryston Colliery Co.Ltd., MEXBOROUGH

1957 - follows 1956 of 1939 Airedale Collieries Ltd., AIREDALE No.2

1986 - follows 1985 of 1940 Mersey Docks & Harbour Board No.11

2410 - follows 2409 of 1942 Linby Colliery Co.Ltd., KING GEORGE

[Ruston]

Thank you, PGH.

[Ruston]

I have just ordered the works plates, 1903 of 1938, from narrowplanet.co.uk along with name plates for both of my 15" Hunslets. Jellicoe and Beatty.

[Covkid]

Sort of vaguely on topic, a batch of outside cylindered, Walshaerts valve geared Hunslet 0-6-0s were delivered to John Mowlem and Edmund Nuttall for construction work. The survivor of the batch is HE 1690 "Cunarder" which is believed to be on a private site undergoing restoration.

 

Here is a link to Quainton Road's history of the loco although they don't quote the Hunslet maker's number.

 

http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/cunarder.htm

 

According to the Warwickshire Railways site http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/misc/misc_hcw173.htm Edmund Nuttall purchased six similar locos and one ended up working collieries in South Staffordshire - HE 1685 named "Nuttall".

 

Returning to "Cunarder" which has led a rather nomadic and "schizophrenic" lifestyle as both a saddle tank and a side tank - apparently currently returning to it's original configuration as a saddle tank. Struggling to find any online dimensions quoted for this type, but the look in some way like an outside cylindered 16" Hunslet, but with a "squashed" bunker.  Does anyone have a few dimensions like wheelbase, length etc please ?

 

TIA   

[Corbs]

Cunarder was HE1690

 

(EDITED) 'Treasurer' looked similar but was a 15" loco. (HE 1446)

 

'Birch Coppice' is 16" (HE 1637)

 

I prefer 'Cunarder' in its original form. As a side tank it was also given a curved, Jinty style bunker.

 

According to Don Townsley in this thread:

The intention was to make 'Cunarder' appear like an LMS Dock Tank while it was at Swanage.

 

I believe that they are retaining this bunker in the current rebuild rather than the angular Hunslet one, which is a shame but understandable.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Corbs

[sir douglas]

for anything leeds built, i always start with http://leedsengine.info/leeds/locolist.asp

it says that No's 1811, 1903, 1957, 1986 and 2410 that PGH mentioned are all narrow gauge diesels

Edited November 19, 2017 by sir douglas

[Covkid]

Mmmmmm "Treasurer" nice "Corbs" thanks for posting that

Where was it based ?

Assume "Birch Coppice" worked it's namesake Colliery, at least at one period.

[Corbs]

Treasurer was at Stewarts and Lloyds in Corby.

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/BRITISH-INDUSTRIAL-LOCOMOTIVES/INDUSTRIAL-DIESEL-AND-ELECTRIC/i-LZvQNMk

[Michael Edge]

These outside cylinder 0-6-0s are a bit complicated, they are different sizes, some are 16', some 14" and Treasurer was 15". 

I built one of these in 7mm quite a long time ago using Hunslet drawings. Photos of GA and painting diagram below

and my drawing prepared from the above

I'm sure I have something on Treasurer as well but I can't find it at the moment.

[Corbs]

Ah, thanks Michael. Treasurer was on my wish list of future bashes so thats very helpful!

[Michael Edge]

Yes but this is Birch Coppice, Treasurer was a smaller loco. All these HE saddle tanks look similar but there are lots of dimensional differences.

[Covkid]

Yes but this is Birch Coppice, Treasurer was a smaller loco. All these HE saddle tanks look similar but there are lots of dimensional differences.

 

 

Thanks Michael and "Corbs". Where does "Cunarder" and her ilk come in then Michael ? I agree they all look very similar so is the 5'x5' wheelbase common to them ?

 

TIA

[Osgood]

Oxfordshire Ironstone also had one - 1645 of 1930, THE BURSAR:

 

[Michael Edge]

I'm not sure about Cunarder but HE1645 is one of a batch with 14" cylinders, this was the biggest batch of these outside cylinder locos. They may well all have the same wheelbase but frame lengths are not the same and the 14" locos have 3'4" wheels. The bigger ones are 3'9", these are different wheel castings.

There's a lot of this in Don Townsley's book on Hunslet, do you know the works number of Cunarder?

[Corbs]

Cunarder was HE1690

 

Interesting link in the names on Bursar and Treasurer!

Edited November 20, 2017 by Corbs

[Osgood]

The reason for the similarity of names can be revealed thanks to Eric Tonks:

 

TREASURER  (1446 / 1929) was 15" x 22" with 3'7 wheels - new to Oxfordshire Ironstone and transferred to S&L Corby in Jan 1933.

THE BURSAR (1645 / 1930) was 14" x 20" with 3'4 wheels - to Oxfordshire Ironstone in 1940 following rebuild by Hunslet upon loco's return from Haifa Harbour works.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Osgood

[Down_Under]

These outside cylinder 0-6-0s are a bit complicated, they are different sizes, some are 16', some 14" and Treasurer was 15". 

I built one of these in 7mm quite a long time ago using Hunslet drawings. Photos of GA and painting diagram below

HE 16in OC GA 1637 Birch Coppice.jpg

HE 1637 Birch Coppice painting diagram.jpg

and my drawing prepared from the above

HE OC 0-6-0ST CD158.jpg

I'm sure I have something on Treasurer as well but I can't find it at the moment.

 

Thanks Michael,

 

I had pondered (as I am sure others have) about how to adapt one of your 15" Hunslet Kits - looks like a little more scratch building required!

 

Not just a case of providing a chassis to sit under your 15" and 16" kits then!

[Corbs]

Another pic of Birch Coppice from  http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/misc/misc_coll-locos054.htm

[Michael Edge]

Thanks Michael,

 

I had pondered (as I am sure others have) about how to adapt one of your 15" Hunslet Kits - looks like a little more scratch building required!

 

Not just a case of providing a chassis to sit under your 15" and 16" kits then!

 

Birch Coppice is more or less a 16" above the frames so you would be better to start with that kit, you would need new frames for any of them.

Cunarder is a 14", HE catalogue sheet below.

Thus is the catalogue sheet for Treasurer which was the only one with 15" cylinders

[Corbs]

Stumbled across some more pics of THE BURSAR so thought I'd repost here.

Noticed the cab is very different to the others.

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trains/British-Industrial-Systems/i-FmnHtRK/1/549fec5d/XL/GMP_Slide700_TheBursar_Wroxton_OxfordshireIronstone_220564-XL.jpg

 

 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trains-travel/37851898871

Edited December 26, 2017 by Corbs

[Chen Melling]

On 20/11/2017 at 10:07, Michael Edge said:

These outside cylinder 0-6-0s are a bit complicated, they are different sizes, some are 16', some 14" and Treasurer was 15". 

I built one of these in 7mm quite a long time ago using Hunslet drawings. Photos of GA and painting diagram below

 

 

 

 

Michael, can you please share the names of the shades noted on the paint diagram? They are not legible in the photo of it.

[Chen Melling]

On 26/12/2017 at 20:33, Corbs said:

Stumbled across some more pics of THE BURSAR so thought I'd repost here.

Noticed the cab is very different to the others.

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trains/British-Industrial-Systems/i-FmnHtRK/1/549fec5d/XL/GMP_Slide700_TheBursar_Wroxton_OxfordshireIronstone_220564-XL.jpg

 

 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trains-travel/37851898871

Though I'm a bit late to the party, I can explain the reason for the strange cab back is that HE 1645 originally built without one, as Haifa Harbour Works Dept. No. 5. The usual weather in then-Palestine made this mostly redundant.

This is exemplified in this high-res picture of its sister, No. 6, at the Athlit Quarry:
https://www.loc.gov/resource/matpc.15386/