298 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) Whilst I appreciate that Hornby have said they have access to material not available to the public, i would love for them to release the images they were working from to be able to turn around and say to every single person that argued, see we told you it was correct! How stupid would everyone feel then!!!!! They could hardly claim the moral victory when they keep referring to the larger one as a "battery box". Having modelled them for years, I'm still surprised at the general lack of understanding and information of the subject (just look at the debate around what shade electric blue was), so there is always something new to learn. There might be the general perception that myself and others have been growling on at them like a bear with a sore head over this issue, but the fact is too many livery mistakes are still being made nowadays and then there is the misreading of a livery from a photo that another manufacturer tried to justify a few years ago. If a mere amateur like me can scratch build a unique and extinct electric loco from about eight photos and a misleading drawing and win a trophy for it that has previously been held by some of the most recognized names in that field of the hobby, then I'd expect full time professionals to be absolutely transparent in not only their sources but also in delivering a product that suits the end consumer. My favourite suggestion for a blue 87 would have been the 2003 heritage repaint of 87001 without plates, but I know it isn't going to happen as its named (and current preserved condition) would be more useful and popular. Here is a scan of it from it's second day back in traffic: Edited July 2, 2017 by 298 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon H Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 First job will be to convert to P4, add Kadee couplers, and do some test runs... First job would be to inspect the pantograph to see if conversion to P4 is worth pursuing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 3, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2017 First job would be to inspect the pantograph to see if conversion to P4 is worth pursuing... How on earth would you go about converting the pan to P4... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 How on earth would you go about converting the pan to P4... :-) stretch it in pliers to widen it??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted July 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2017 Does anyone have an estimate of when these are going to arrive in the shops? Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Does anyone have an estimate of when these are going to arrive in the shops? Andi I believe the Blue is November and the Intercity Exec is December. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I believe the Blue is November and the Intercity Exec is December. Oh dear. Dear Wiles, Bate and Killian families: You've got Buckley's chance of any Christmas presents this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Does anyone have an estimate of when these are going to arrive in the shops? Andi According to Hornby's website, blue is Jan 2018 and exec is Feb 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 4, 2017 According to Hornby's website, blue is Jan 2018 and exec is Feb 2018 Yeah, because Hornbys website is always 100% correct and never, ever wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Yeah, because Hornbys website is always 100% correct and never, ever wrong.[/quote Not sure what your point is. Dagworth asked about the current estimated date for availability and that's what the suppliers current estimated date is. It's unlikely to be the final date, as they seldom are, but on average is likely to be slightly later than the current showing date. The main point is that the supplier estimates that the date has slipped into 2018, which tends to happen to one or two new tooling releases (eg Merchant Navy from 2016 program) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 Ive not seen any chat about whether the new model can accept p4 or em wheelsets slotted straight in....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Much muttering about the '87 (of which I shall add to my stable - why??? No idea, just want one...) but nestling hereabouts are hints about an '86... So do I persist in tarting up my Hornby one...or hold my breath...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Unfortunately the newer models are getting more difficult to convert reliably, without having to resort to springing. However, I have had 100% so far converting two-axle bogies, with or without Ultrascale drop-in sets. I have quite a lot of 3'9" wheels in use under class 86's, so one of those will be in the shops loaning its rollers to the 87! Hmmm...springing: something I seem to have taken up where Ian P of this parish has not the time to address (see my Class 31 bogies). Hadn't thought about it, but... Hornby: you do a new 86 and I'll do the sprung bogies. Fair? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 Much muttering about the '87 (of which I shall add to my stable - why??? No idea, just want one...) but nestling hereabouts are hints about an '86... So do I persist in tarting up my Hornby one...or hold my breath...? You know the answer to that, get on with the old on so that when you finish it Hornby will make the announcement! Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMinion Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Ive not seen any chat about whether the new model can accept p4 or em wheelsets slotted straight in....... Until the model is out how could anyone possibly know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Ive not seen any chat about whether the new model can accept p4 or em wheelsets slotted straight in....... Send Paul Isles a PM, he'll mostly likely answer your question(s) and/or when it is featured in the next The Engine Shed blog, you'll get your answer there. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 You know the answer to that, get on with the old on so that when you finish it Hornby will make the announcement! Andi Same old, same old, then...first order the Ultrascales just in case.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 A running sample of Hornby's Class 87 by Hornby Magazine. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Wallgate OO Gauge Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm liking the look of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Here's a picture from the Magazine site, please remove if I've broken any rules. Nice......... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yes, nice images from August Hornby Magazine which i picked up this morning. One thing I noticed though is the positioning of the lower connections of the TDM cables. IIRC this was indeed the position of them when first fitted by BR but they were then moved to the bottom of the cab front soon afterwards (by the time INTERCITY swallow livery was introduced?) due to reliability issues? Also the lower connecting boxes look quite overscale.. Here are a couple of scans from my photos unfortunately undated but probably 1993 ish. AC electric enthusiasts will no doubt be able to provide more information on the TDM issue but I seem to recall that a lot of Mk3 DVT's were loco hauled in their early days as a result of TDM failures. Hornby, please could you re release your excellent Mk3 DVT in INTERCITY livery - preferably with provision for a front coupling? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2017 Looking good. As long as it's not the same factory that produces the 50, we should be ok! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Sorry to come back to the cables again. On the real loco the original MU cable was a lot chunkier than the TDM cables. See lower photo on #546. It would be a shame if the front end of the exec liveried one is spoilt by overscale lower connectors especially if they are moulded on. The actual cables not so much of an issue if they are separate wire as they could be removed and replaced with thinner wire. Sorry to be pernickety, but best to point these things out at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Also the lower connecting boxes look quite overscale.. It's another bizarre choice that defies modelling choice (I've yet to consider the marketing aspect though). The earlier recepticles were a box with a sprung lid and were quite big (but something doesn't look right about them in the photos), the later ones are just box section to keep the plug in one place. I'd be interested to hear how they've measured them, whether they were a standard BR part that exists on something else or if they've interpretated them from drawings or photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 A running sample of Hornby's Class 87 by Hornby Magazine. Why is it pulling vacuum braked maroon liveried Mk1's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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