laurenceb Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Midland Waggons Vol 2 has a photo of a Midland large cattle waggon no17906 of the final design in post 1936 livery branded ALE. Unfortunately not dated but in good condition so probably pre war. Vol1 has a photo of a medium cattle waggon no 23029 converted into a yeast van with the open ventilation relapsed by slats. This one in MR livery and branded Return to BURTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 Well, it will have to be squeezed out of the basic Airfix Dapol cattle wagon, which frankly looks more detailed than some modern ones! Just needs a decent wheel set added with metal bearings. I presume best to remove the cylinder etc., leaving hand braked only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The vans shown are actually Vanwides. Palvans had hinged doors with 'X' bracing at the left hand end of each side of the body. K's made one and I think Parkside list one. You are correct. A bit of a brainfade. Maybe posting late on New Years Eve is not a good idea...... Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 Hattons have the Airfix Cattle wagon at bargain price, less than Ebay, so ordered 3 and spare metal wheels as well. That will provide a couple to shunt and one on display being loaded/unloaded in the yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Triang/Hornby used to do a bogie van with 3 sets of openning doors. I had this set in the 1960's. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=triang+old+smokey&biw=1920&bih=887&tbm=isch&imgil=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%253A%253BgovYnAq40SCAjM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.tri-ang.co.uk%25252Frs61set.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%253A%252CgovYnAq40SCAjM%252C_&usg=__tr5xl3qc9KZeeAli9dCyvaOvASE%3D&ved=0ahUKEwinmem0jKLRAhUENhoKHT5lDsgQyjcIKw&ei=VZBpWOeaFYTsaL7KucAM#imgrc=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%3A You can still find them occaisionally on Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2017 Triang/Hornby used to do a bogie van with 3 sets of openning doors. I had this set in the 1960's. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=triang+old+smokey&biw=1920&bih=887&tbm=isch&imgil=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%3A%3BgovYnAq40SCAjM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tri-ang.co.uk%252Frs61set.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%3A%2CgovYnAq40SCAjM%2C_&usg=__tr5xl3qc9KZeeAli9dCyvaOvASE%3D&ved=0ahUKEwinmem0jKLRAhUENhoKHT5lDsgQyjcIKw&ei=VZBpWOeaFYTsaL7KucAM#imgrc=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%3A You can still find them occaisionally on Ebay. This vehicle was still available until very recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 I hope that I did not give the impression that the opening doors were a paramount point, just a requirement on modern finer scale offerings by Oxford, Hornby etc in that features like this are the accepted norm on fine scale H0 but not in OO, Plenty of older toy and train set items had the feature, mainly to entertain, not to please enthusiasts, At least in O scale on the Dapol 08 there are opening doors, but in 2017 surely with the higher quality mouldings the makers could fit more detailing, Wagons are becoming the poor relation to scale locos at the moment. At least brake vans are improving at last. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I think the thread has moved on a bit into a general discussion. I've found out a few things anyway. Personally I think I'd give any wagon with opening doors a wide berth. Like opening doors and rotating fans on diesels, it's just another gimmick that knocks the price up as far as I'm concerned. But others like the gimmicks. Motorised water crane with sounds anyone? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 But others like the gimmicks. Motorised water crane with sounds anyone? Jason To each his own, sounds of a water tank, sounds generally, DCC....all are just gimmicks really, but I know people who love them.......along with 3rail, ACE. MTH, Lionel...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosiesBoss Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 G'day, all, Trix made BR 12t vans with working sliding doors. According to Ramsay, they were available in various liveries from 1960 to 1984. Here's one painted in LNER livery (now due to be restored to BR condition!): Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2017 Triang/Hornby used to do a bogie van with 3 sets of openning doors. I had this set in the 1960's. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=triang+old+smokey&biw=1920&bih=887&tbm=isch&imgil=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%253A%253BgovYnAq40SCAjM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.tri-ang.co.uk%25252Frs61set.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%253A%252CgovYnAq40SCAjM%252C_&usg=__tr5xl3qc9KZeeAli9dCyvaOvASE%3D&ved=0ahUKEwinmem0jKLRAhUENhoKHT5lDsgQyjcIKw&ei=VZBpWOeaFYTsaL7KucAM#imgrc=vsq7XxcNLDw_pM%3A You can still find them occaisionally on Ebay. An Hornby Dublo did the SR 4-wheel CCT similarly equipped, it was continued under Wrenn, but retooled with fixed doors when taken over by Dapol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 An Hornby Dublo did the SR 4-wheel CCT similarly equipped, it was continued under Wrenn, but retooled with fixed doors when taken over by Dapol. As pointed out in Post #21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2017 As for gimmicks,the triang block instruments take some beating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted January 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2017 As pointed out in Post #21 Well as bd seems to be going with my suggestion from Posts 2/3, perhaps further discussion is a bit superfluous! Of course that never stopped a RMweb thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Well as bd seems to be going with my suggestion from Posts 2/3, perhaps further discussion is a bit superfluous! Of course that never stopped a RMweb thread. I don't think the effort is wasted, by any means. Other people reading the topic may be interested in what's available too. One person kicks things off, and maybe gets their answer, but the interest may be wider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2017 As pointed out in Post #21 Sorry, missed that, but beware the Vanwide. The beasties weren't introduced until 1962. More than one otherwise savvy modeller has fallen into the trap of picking up a Tri-ang Hornby one cheaply at a swapmeet and, because of the opening doors, using it for a grounded body on a layout set before they even existed. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 A bit like most grounded van bodies. Both of these are relatively modern vans. But I wonder how many layouts set pre 1960s have them. https://railsofsheffield.com/grounded-van-body-JJJA15593.aspx https://railsofsheffield.com/grounded-van-body-JJJA17626.aspx Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Further to my post some time back I rounded up some of my vans with open doors and took a shot of them. There are one or two more but they avoided being captured by the camera, so here are what I laid my hands on... From L to R are a Ratio SR type alongside a Parkside LNER van - this is an earlier body moulding that has been superseded and I don't know if it is still available;IIR the current version doesn't have this option. Then a Parkside BR standard van with home made planked doors. The kit has a blank to give the option of different types so I cut this off and fitted them open. Another Parkside LNER then a venerable Airfix meat van, from the early eighties acc to a build date underneath, with horrible Airfix hinges that I will get around to fixing one day... Lastly a Parkside LNER fish van, although this would be of limited use for a brewery layout ... The old Airfix cattle wagon, although a bit heavily done, is actually a very good kit and more accurate than any RTR cattle wagon before or since until Hornby's latest SR one and can be made into a more than passable runner. It's a pity they stopped their wagon ranges as those they did were all very good, if sometimes a bit specialised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 There was an article in Railway Modeller in the early 1970's titled 'From Mex to Ale to Fruit' detailing conversions of the then Airfix wagon. Sorry I can't check the date - I'm at work Indeed, I've done all three conversions from that article in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 A bit like most grounded van bodies. Both of these are relatively modern vans. But I wonder how many layouts set pre 1960s have them. https://railsofsheffield.com/grounded-van-body-JJJA15593.aspx https://railsofsheffield.com/grounded-van-body-JJJA17626.aspx Jason Not unique to van bodies either. I've lost count of the number of scrapyard scenes I've seen with the remains of cars which hadn't been built in the period the layout was set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2017 Not unique to van bodies either. I've lost count of the number of scrapyard scenes I've seen with the remains of cars which hadn't been built in the period the layout was set! Another one is modern road signs on period layouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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