18B Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The first Class 08 withdrawn was D3193 in 1967, would anyone happen to know why this loco was withdrawn so early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2017 I'm not sure why ,but was the loco one of the batch built without train brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 It wasn;t one of the ones built without train brakes, D3092-101 were the ones without brakes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 The withdrawal of stock was probably due to Monetary Limits on repairs and at the time the need for such locomotives had been reduced with line closures and traffic reduction! Mark Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Mark, given that no other 08 was withdrawn until 1972, FIVE years later, I would suggest that there was a very specific reason as to why this particular 08 was withdrawn so early........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 When were the first 11s withdrawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Incidentally did the 08s built without train brakes get withdrawn early or did they get train brakes? The Edited January 16, 2017 by russ p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 First Class 11 withdrawel was May 1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Posted Today, 00:15 Incidentally did the 08s built without train brakes get withdrawn early or did they get train brakes? They were the first Class 08s withdrawn after, 3193. four were withdrwan in May 1972. the other six by the end of 1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 All of Class 10 and Class 11 went between 1967 and 1972. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 So the 11s started to be withdrawn the same time as the first 08s Did any of the no train brake 08a carry TOPS numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Mark, given that no other 08 was withdrawn until 1972, FIVE years later, I would suggest that there was a very specific reason as to why this particular 08 was withdrawn so early........... Monetary Limits means whatever was wrong was not worth the cost of the repairs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 All of the LNER, SR and GWR ones also went between 1966 and 1972. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 All of Class 10 and Class 11 went between 1967 and 1972. 10s and 11s were different animals, 10s were 08 type locomotives with Blackstone engines while 11s were locomotives built to an LMS design with smaller wheels but the same engine as an 08 but again no train brake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 So the 11s started to be withdrawn the same time as the first 08sDid any of the no train brake 08a carry TOPS numbers a very few of the class made it into 1972, 12109 and 120110 were the last two withdrawn in November while in May 1972 four further 08s had been withdrawn, si a very small overlap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Posted Today, 00:34 18B, on 16 Jan 2017 - 00:04, said: Mark, given that no other 08 was withdrawn until 1972, FIVE years later, I would suggest that there was a very specific reason as to why this particular 08 was withdrawn so early........... Monetary Limits means whatever was wrong was not worth the cost of the repairs! that's not the point you were making though, you mentioned traffic reductions and line closures, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 First Class 11 withdrawel was May 1967 The first time I went to Saltley - 1968 IIRC - there were several Class 11s stored in the roundhouse - low numbered examples awaiting withdrawal and a tow to Cashmores Others were still active around Brum for a while afterwards - 12112 for example which had been a Hornsey loco at one time. They always seemed a bit special compared to the run of the mill 08s Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 I remember reading somewhere about the "great shunter cull of 1967" where BR decided to standardise on class 03 and 08 and dispose of non-standard designs. Many after this date were sold for Industrial service, including 12136 which was a common sighting when travelling through South Yorkshire en route to York in the mid 1970s. One of the ICRS publications that I lost over the years was "BR locos in industrial service", an excellent account of surviving ex BR shunters, published around 1975. The title may be different, that was what I remember it being called. Still no clues on D3193 though, but if accident damaged would have been cut quickly. I suppose in 1967 with the mood to dispose of a massive shunter fleet, non-economic repairs to class 08s were the reason. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Mention of it here as a possible export to Italy although it was reported to be withdrawn due to collision damage. http://www.sagem-atlantis.com/features/diesels/index.htm?id=diesels/attiliorossi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 This article also turned up, who the heck is Zulu and why was he propagating falsehoods around diesel disposals, have people nothing better to do with their time. http://www.whatreallyhappenedtosteam.co.uk/pdf/WRHTS-ESS-115-Diesel-Fabrications.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Given the early withdrawal date and the fact it was not sold for industrial use, I would guess that the loco was seriously damaged. Could be collision damage or fire damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 From BRdatabase, last allocation Shrewsbury, broken up 1 September 1967, apparently before officially withdrawn ! http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=3193&loco=13193 Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2017 From BRdatabase, last allocation Shrewsbury, broken up 1 September 1967, apparently before officially withdrawn ! http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=3193&loco=13193 Neil D3193 Wdn 09/1967 from 6D Chester Northgate and cut-up 09/1967 Derby Works. Maybe it had collision damage and was sent to Derby Works for assessment and subsequently Withdrawn & Scrapped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Was there not an accident when a train ran away into the depot sidings? (This was not the 1972 incident) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just had a look in "The Allocation History of BR Diesel & Electrics" by Roger Harris, he quotes:- D3193 Wdn 16/09/1967, sent to BR Derby Works (ZE) 25/08/1967 and Cut Up by 08/10/1967 which confirms it was Withdrawn after reaching BR Derby Works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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