S7 scratch building

[airnimal]

I put a couple of cutouts in the base of the brake gear to accept the unit in the wagon floor. I will take this unit out when I paint the wagon and know that it will go back in exactly the right location.

[airnimal]

I have made a brake lever from nickel sheet along with an Ambis brake rack. Plus a couple of hole in the solebars when I drilled the fixing hole in the wrong place.

[Ian Major]

Lovely work.

 

I couple of questions if I may. Apologies if you have already answered these.

 

The corner plates appear to actually wrap around as per prototype, rather than made from two butted parts (as I do). How do you get this done?

 

Your bolt/rivet detail is very neat. What do you use?

 

Ian M.

[airnimal]

Doncaster, I am just the same as everybody. My scrap bin is enormous and is growing daily. The brake gear on the dumb buffered wagon is the next to go. I have been trying to drill holes for the Scale Hardware brass bolts without success. The brass that the etch is made from is super hard and I have broken about 8 or 9 drills. I will bin the this one and start again.

 

Ian, the corner plates on this wagon are made from 2 parts. They are then lightly sanded after a couple of hours.

 

The corner plates on the round ended wagon were made in one piece. I had a better photo to work on with this wagon that shows a very pronounced curve. I first rounded the edge before glueing one side on and letting it dry overnight before glueing the second side on.

 

I have not do a lot this week. The cold weather does affect my mojo some mewhat along with negative comments made by one individual on another website, so I have been clearing out part of my workshop.

I went through my parts boxes and realised I have enough parts ( minus wheels ) to build about 50 wagons. Clearly if I want to get on and build my layout I am not going to build all of those. I have already got rid of lots of loco parts so I may go the same way with some of these wagon components.

[N15class]

Is the brass super hard or soft. Sheet brass soft snags and breaks drills. Hard machines nicely. Hard cast brass is best annealed first.

 

Craking work as usual. Makes me want to order more sheet and do some more myself.

[Regularity]

negative comments made by one individual on another website

His own work must be really something else, then!

What’s his name? Fabergé?

[Ruston]

I really like the Lanky van. I didn't know that they had such simple brake gear. All those I have seen photos of have the 4-shoe type with brake levers at both sides but the same end. Where did you find a picture of one with this type of brake gear?

[airnimal]

Regularity, I wouldn't name names. I am mad at myself for being dragged into a spat in the first place. I feel as if I have let myself down for letting silly words get to me from someone who is of no consequence but feels a giant behind a keyboard.

 

Ruston, thank you for kind words. The van was made using drawing No 479 from Vol 2 L&Y wagons page 198 . I am not sure how long they kept this single shoe and I don't think anybody else will either.

 

Having been building wagons for over 35years my parts box has run riot, so like my loco bits that I pruned back earler this year I may go down the same root with some of these. I also have lots of plastic moulded parts from various companies.

[Buhar]

Good grief!  That's not a spares box that's stock for a small supplier!

[Ian Smith]

It is somewhat unfortunate that some people feel the need to offer their unfair/unfounded criticism. My own view is that almost without exception those that do have never produced anything that compares at all favourably to what they are criticising. Anyone who has produced something comparable or better invariably offers constructive criticism because they appreciate the amount of work and skill involved.

Ian

[Regularity]

His own work must be really something else, then!

What’s his name? Fabergé?

  

Regularity, I wouldn't name names.

Don’t worry Mike, I wasn’t asking you to: read it as “Is his name Fabergé?” Or even, “What’s his name - Fabergé?”

[airnimal]

Regularity, thanks for the post, it made me laugh.

Mike

[Regularity]

Regularity, thanks for the post, it made me laugh.

Mike

The least I could do.

And according to several school reports, I rarely did more than the least I could do.

[Ruston]

Regularity, I wouldn't name names. I am mad at myself for being dragged into a spat in the first place. I feel as if I have let myself down for letting silly words get to me from someone who is of no consequence but feels a giant behind a keyboard.

 

Ruston, thank you for kind words. The van was made using drawing No 479 from Vol 2 L&Y wagons page 198 . I am not sure how long they kept this single shoe and I don't think anybody else will either.

 

Having been building wagons for over 35years my parts box has run riot, so like my loco bits that I pruned back earler this year I may go down the same root with some of these. I also have lots of plastic moulded parts from various companies.

Thanks. I only have Vol.1 but now I know about the simple brake gear, and I can get a copy of Vol.2, I may have a go at building one for myself but in 4mm.

 

People who criticise but have no modelling to show for themselves are just dead wood, IMHO, of course.

[Poor Old Bruce]

Thanks. I only have Vol.1 but now I know about the simple brake gear, and I can get a copy of Vol.2, I may have a go at building one for myself but in 4mm.

 

If you want a quick L&Y van in 4mm, try using the ancient Pyramid/Rovex/Tri-ang van body with a decent underframe - but you probably know that already.

[relaxinghobby]

On the very nicely modelled LYR van 30397 in post #730.

Why did they paint the numbers on the ends it must have been difficult to see there ?

[MarcD]

That's not an uncommon practice for pre-grouping railway practice the GWR, Furness, LYR, S&DJR all did it and probably more than that. As for why they did it that is probably lost in the mists of time.

Marc

[wagonman]

That's not an uncommon practice for pre-grouping railway practice the GWR, Furness, LYR, S&DJR all did it and probably more than that. As for why they did it that is probably lost in the mists of time.

Marc

 

 

I can see how it might be of use to shunters...

[Ruston]

If you want a quick L&Y van in 4mm, try using the ancient Pyramid/Rovex/Tri-ang van body with a decent underframe - but you probably know that already.

I didn't know that. I have typed Pyramid Rovex Triang  OO van into google images but that brings up just about anything OO. Do you have any photos of the vans to which you refer?

[airnimal]

The LNWR also painted the numbers on the ends of its vans and most of it's other wagons as well.

I am just surprised I managed to get the numbers straight.

I have not being doing a lot lately although I have put some of my photo's on the UK prototype discussion page around Stockport.

[Poor Old Bruce]

I didn't know that. I have typed Pyramid Rovex Triang  OO van into google images but that brings up just about anything OO. Do you have any photos of the vans to which you refer?

 

Not off hand. I was hoping to refer you to a page on Nile's bodging thread but can't find one at the mo. I will have to get back to you. PM me if you would you like it posting somewhere else to save upsetting these nice 7mm people any more than necessary.

[Caley Jim]

The LNWR also painted the numbers on the ends of its vans and most of it's other wagons as well.

According to Mike Williams' book on CR wagons the LNWR started the practice in 1882.  He quotes from LNWR Liveries a minute of August of that year requiring the number to be painted on the ends of wagons in the same manner as on the Caledonian Railway.

 

Jim

[wagonman]

According to Mike Williams' book on CR wagons the LNWR started the practice in 1882.  He quotes from LNWR Liveries a minute of August of that year requiring the number to be painted on the ends of wagons in the same manner as on the Caledonian Railway.

 

Jim

 

 

But no indication of the reasoning behind the decision?

Edited December 19, 2018 by wagonman

[Compound2632]

But no indication of the reasoning behind the decision?

 

That's the frustrating thing about the minute books I've looked at (Midland Railway various committees held at Kew) - they are records of decisions, not of the decision-making process.

 

LNWR Liveries says exactly what Jim says Mike Williams says it says.

[Andy Hayter]

Some thoughts on painting wagon numbers on the ends - and please do not consider these as definitive proven facts.

 

1.  Vans - the use of vans was comparatively rare compared to say BR days.  Picking out a van and its number when the end was painted would therefore be an asset for those working in a goods yard and relatively easy to do.

2.  Opens - appart from mineral wagons, opens were used for all sorts of merchandise and to protect that merchandise, wagon sheets were often used.  This sheeting could often obscure part of the wagon number, so maybe painting the number in extra places around the wagon would make it easier to identify it, rather than having to unsheet part of the wagon to gain access to the number.

 

 

Edit to add that this probably explains why some railways relied solely on a plate affixed to the solebar.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Andy Hayter