S7 scratch building

[Western Star]

Mike,

 

Unless I am mistaken - and please tell me if that is so - the wagon at the top of the pile is probably from a period about six or seven years back (you showed me a finished model at Brightwell).  If this thought is correct then what is the physics behind a stack or pile which permits you to "add downwards"?

 

Sorry to read about the plank funny...  we all make similar mistakes.

 

regards, G

[airnimal]

The timber wagon is going to be regauged to fine scale for my friend Peter to go on his G.W.R layout. Sorry John but I have been friends with Peter for 40 years so he gets first chance, and he said he would like it.

Graham the pile of reject wagon is not in any order just ones that I consider not good enough to go any further with.

Anyway I have started another dumb buffer coal wagon from the Wigan area. I have left the corner iron work over long and will trim them back later.

[wagonman]

W & J Turner, number 193 perhaps?

[airnimal]

Yes it is going to be 193 from W & J Turner. I am not happy with the end door arrangements. The drawings in the Coal Trade book are not very clear on which wagon the end elevation is supposed to belong to. I only have a side view of the wagon which doesn't give any clues to the end door. I think I will replace it with the other type as on my other Turner wagon.

 

I have given my timber wagon to my friend Peter and it is seen on his layout. Still awaiting the axle boxes and springs.

I took the opportunity to take a couple of other photos while I was there.

[Caley Jim]

Yes it is going to be 193 from W & J Turner. I am not happy with the end door arrangements. The drawings in the Coal Trade book are not very clear on which wagon the end elevation is supposed to belong to. I only have a side view of the wagon which doesn't give any clues to the end door. I think I will replace it with the other type as on my other Turner wagon.

Judging from the corner plate I'd say that the end elevation certainly refers to the wagon at the top (compare the left hand end of the side elevation with the right hand side of the end elevation).  It does say that the door arrangement is 'regional', so it wouldn't be unreasonable to make it the same.

 

Jim

[sir douglas]

does this 3/4 view help with the end arrangement

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28709338@N04/28237148276/

[wagonman]

does this 3/4 view help with the end arrangement

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28709338@N04/28237148276/

 

 

That photo is the basis for Tavender's drawing, so yes the end elevations (on the left) are for the Wigan Coal & Iron wagon. The Turner wagon seems to have a rather more typical end door – and flat-topped ends. Sorry Mike. 

[airnimal]

Sir Douglas, that photo is the wagon I have already built, see post 120.

I think I will remove the end door and replace it with the same as my previous W. J. Turner build.

[wagonman]

Sir Douglas, that photo is the wagon I have already built, see post 120.

I think I will remove the end door and replace it with the same as my previous W. J. Turner build.

 

 

That's essentially what I did for my Mary Jones wagon...   http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/113035-more-pre-grouping-wagons-in-4mm-the-d299-appreciation-thread/page-34   post 845

Edited December 5, 2017 by wagonman

[airnimal]

I have made another end door that I hope is nearer the prototype. After all these years we will probably never be 100% accurate. Basic bodywork done.

[airnimal]

I think this is better option now I have made a new end door.

[airnimal]

I did a demo at the Poyton show yesterday and was placed along side the 2 mm fine scale boys. Hence the little and large photos.it was a good show with a nice mixture of layouts and traders. Going back today as it is a 2 day show.

[Compound2632]

Those 2 mm models are exquisite - not that yours aren't - for a moment I thought you'd been to a model engineering exhibition and sat yours atop some 5" gauge models! 

[airnimal]

Thank you for the kind words. The 2 mm wagons were made by David Eveleigh who was sat at the back of me at the Poyton show. I was very impressed by his wonderful skills making models but his artist skills was something else.

I still managed to get a small amount done on my latest wagon in between talking nonsense most of the time.

[airnimal]

I have managed a small amount of progress with the details. The wheels are only temporary until I get to the painting stage. The photo was taken from an article in a Sunday newspaper many years ago.

[Regularity]

Wow. Do we have a date for the photo?

[wagonman]

Wow. Do we have a date for the photo?

 

 

If it's one of John Cooper's images then probably 1890s. The lower half of the original is a bunch of girls – pit brow lasses. Cooper was an old established studio photographer in Wigan but I assume he got out occasionally.

[Compound2632]

Interesting brake gear - the only non-LNWR example I've seen of the knock-kneed arrangement that LNWR Wagons Vol. 1 calls the "toggle brake" - as used on the Loco Coal wagon we saw earlier. Perhaps it was endemic to Lancashire? Earlestown wasn't that far away.

[garethashenden]

Interesting brake gear - the only non-LNWR example I've seen of the knock-kneed arrangement that LNWR Wagons Vol. 1 calls the "toggle brake" - as used on the Loco Coal wagon we saw earlier. Perhaps it was endemic to Lancashire? Earlestown wasn't that far away.

The North London used them as well on a lot of their wagons. They're fairly straight forward really, it gives braking on both axles but without the need for the now-traditional V-hanger. Everything revolves around a mounting point on the underside of the frame.

[Compound2632]

Also, there's not much tyre left on those wheels...

[Poggy1165]

Wigan Junction Colliery fascinates me. I have an impression, from the very few photos I have seen, that their wagon stock was a collection of antiques. I have only ever seen a photo of one relatively modern wagon, and that showed up in, of all places, a book about Blackpool trams. 

[Ian Smith]

Following on from post no. 412 above, here is a similar O gauge to 2FS comparison that I took at Helston show in April this year.  Someone was demonstrating making O Gauge GWR Dean period coaches from Slater's parts, the picture below is a snap taken on my mobile when we compared his coaches to mine :

 

Ian

[wagonman]

 

 

 

Another image from the Wigan World site showing the Prospect Pit at Standish - with some nice Wigan Coal & Iron wagons...

 

 

 

[airnimal]

I have added the brakes made from a fold up etch acquired many years ago from Haywood Railway. I had to modify the etch after folding up by bending the push rods very carefully without introducing any kinks.

One benefit of working in S7 is how close you can get the brakes to the wheels.

I have also replaced the washers with larger one's after looking at the photo.

[airnimal]

Yesterday saw the brake gear finished. I just have to put the rest of the nuts and bolts on before starting the painting. My wife told me that the brake handle was not straight. I told her to look at the photo that I based the model on.