johnofwessex Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I have seen a photo of a Barry Railway steamer heading for Ilfracombe in a storm with a capacity crowd on deck - in a gale. They were hardy souls in those days 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: If she was anything like the Bristol Channel steamers, they all went in the bar... The phrase "I'm just off to see the engines..." is still in use on the Clyde, at least in summer! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Regarding Fergusons:- I was Chief Engineer on several occasions in Gibsons' LPG tanker "Traquair", built 1982 under the overall title of 'British Shipbuilders'. The forward section was built by Fergusons, Port Glasgow; the aft section by Ailsa of Troon. The two halves were of slightly different dimensions across the beam! You could see the slight 'step' in the shell plating where the two halves had been joined. From memory, it was about 1/2" on each side... She only went for scrap in mid-2017 - a service life of 35 years. Mark 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 hours ago, johnofwessex said: I have seen a photo of a Barry Railway steamer heading for Ilfracombe in a storm with a capacity crowd on deck - in a gale. They were hardy souls in those days Is it just me wondering if they were all on deck for a very specific reason? It reminds me of the Condor Ferries high-speed service (Portsmouth -- Channel Islands). Not for nothing is it known as the "Vomit Comet". https://www.condorferries.co.uk/ships-onboard/our-fleet 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said: Is it just me wondering if they were all on deck for a very specific reason? Most of the traditional excursion steamers had massive passenger certificates which defy belief these days, however to literally fit them on and meet the regulations most of the passenger certificate was based on open deck space. If the decks were full then that meant it was rammed below - below decks usually being where the bar and restaurant were, and of course the boilers and machinery would take up about half the available space. Waverley had a passenger certificate for nearly 1500 back in the day, but you'd be lucky if you could fit 400 under cover. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 17 hours ago, johnofwessex said: They were hardy souls in those days Perhaps not. The well known Victorian postcard, "To the Scillies". All the Scillonian's (Ships not residents)I have known, soon pick up the nick name "Sick Bucket". 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Porcy Mane said: Perhaps not. The well known Victorian postcard, "To the Scillies". All the Scillonian's (Ships not residents)I have known, soon pick up the nick name "Sick Bucket". That doesn't look like the lee rail, if these folk are about to have ye olde 'technicolour yawn'... ...almost guaranteed to 'get your own back', as it were... Mark 1 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, MarkC said: That doesn't look like the lee rail, if these folk are about to have ye olde 'technicolour yawn'... Any port in a storm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: Is it just me wondering if they were all on deck for a very specific reason? It reminds me of the Condor Ferries high-speed service (Portsmouth -- Channel Islands). Not for nothing is it known as the "Vomit Comet". https://www.condorferries.co.uk/ships-onboard/our-fleet Interesting looking at the drone clips of the 2 fast ferries, one has an open top front to the car deck, ok high up, but still......... the other appears to be well away from the dock & the vehicle loading ramps are not fully raised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, duncan said: Interesting looking at the drone clips of the 2 fast ferries, one has an open top front to the car deck, ok high up, but still......... the other appears to be well away from the dock & the vehicle loading ramps are not fully raised. Careful now! Before anyone jumps in and says "Herald of Free Enterprise", please remember the HoFE was sunk with the bow doors open. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Herald_of_Free_Enterprise The Condor Rapide is departing with stern doors open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Any port in a storm. When you gotta go, you gotta go... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Perhaps not. The well known Victorian postcard, "To the Scillies". All the Scillonian's (Ships not residents) I have known, soon pick up the nick name "Sick Bucket". Yes, for a very good reason, they were shallow-draft boats. All the better to moor close inshore or on a shelving beach. As for being "sea-kindly" with a deep keel, forget it! Quote Scillonian III has a length of 68 m, a beam of 11.85 m, a draft of 2.89 m, a gross tonnage of 1255.25, and a service speed of 15.15 knots (28.06 km/h). Due to the number of tidal currents which meet off Land's End, and the need for a shallow draught to allow access to the Islands, the sea journey can be rough, causing sea sickness. For this reason the ship is fitted with a "Flume" antiroll stabiliser system. The ship is also designed to have a shallow draft and can sit on the seabed when there is insufficient water. But she's done well for a 40 year old boat. Quote During the winter of 2012–13 the ship underwent a £2 million overhaul which refurbished the passenger accommodation and also extended the ship's service life to 2018. The ship's 40th anniversary was in May 2017 and during that time she has made more than 9,000 return journeys, travelled more than 648,000 nautical miles (1,200,000 km) and carried more than 1,458,000 passengers. Ref : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMV_Scillonian_III 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 For those of you who are of a Canadian Maritime bent... (this _should_ work and not just be the big block I get at work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqz6mLRYHj4 (and yes, I get horribly seasick...that was before I burst an eardrum, and I'd imagine it would be worse now...bonamine is my friend !) James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Yes, for a very good reason, they were shallow-draft boats. All the better to moor close inshore or on a shelving beach. As for being "sea-kindly" with a deep keel, forget it! Sailed on her & her predecessors bucket loads and count myself lucky never to have filled an ash tray once... but I could tell a few stories and I should never say never. For flatties all the Scillonian's have done well even though my favourite (Scillonian II) came to a rather ignominious end in Bulgaria. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: For flatties all the Scillonian's have done well even though my favourite (Scillonian II) came to a rather ignominious end in Bulgaria. Oh dear. That wasn't when Sub-Lieutenant Phillips was navigating was it? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Sub-Lieutenant Phillips Don't think so but he might have been the terror that never gave way to sail and had a reputation for scattering all the PZ sailing club mirrors almost every summer evening. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Sailed on her & her predecessors bucket loads and count myself lucky never to have filled an ash tray once... but I could tell a few stories and I should never say never. For flatties all the Scillonian's have done well even though my favourite (Scillonian II) came to a rather ignominious end in Bulgaria. I was Deckie for one trip on Scillonian II, her last one as a Campbells ship from the City Docks to Avonmouth The view over the bow wasnt great and we ended up knocking a hole in the bullnose round Prince Street Bridge and dented the end of the bridge, all captured on Points West with me gesticulating to the bridge 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, MarkC said: When you gotta go, you gotta go... Watched someone do that on The Balmoral off Lynmouth. I wont say it was a good day but the mate had been on the wheel all the way from Bristol. Plastered the wheelhouse and you could see the Old Man (Jack Wide?) peering out through the opening cleared by the windscreen wiper 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: Is it just me wondering if they were all on deck for a very specific reason? ............................................... In those days tickets were saloon or foredeck.................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hi Keith, not thinking of the Herald, just thought there were regulations in regarding the comments I made, or maybe I am just used to "proper" (traditional) ferries to the islands on the west coast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, johnofwessex said: The view over the bow wasnt great and we ended up knocking a hole in the bullnose round Prince Street Bridge and dented the end of the bridge, all captured on Points West with me gesticulating to the bridge So it was you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: So it was you. Nowp, that was 1981 when I dunnit Also we hut much closer to the waterline & the ship was in Campbell colours at the time not Torbay Seaways 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, johnofwessex said: I was Deckie for one trip on Scillonian II, her last one as a Campbells ship from the City Docks to Avonmouth The view over the bow wasnt great and we ended up knocking a hole in the bullnose round Prince Street Bridge and dented the end of the bridge, all captured on Points West with me gesticulating to the bridge Aha! Do we at long last know why the swing bridge doesn't swing any more? And perhaps why we started drinking at the Ostrich instead of the Llandoger Trow or the Old Vic. Oh no, that was something else ... does the Ostrich still have that skeleton in the back corner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2020 We had Silver Muse in Timaru, New Zealand today. And my sister in Tauranga in the north island sent me a few snaps of the Queen Elizabeth in port. I can tell you which one I would rather see!!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2020 This has to be the most ugly cruise ship I have ever seen. Richard Branson’s first cruise ship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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