owentherail Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 No Mistake! The strip covering the solebar beneath the bottom of the door is black! As are the headstocks and buffer stocks. It looks as if the change to grey for that strip came with the production switching to Swindon. Paul Bartlett Why? What size of wheel does the model come with? Paul Larger ones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SHerr Posted February 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2018 Smaller wheels on nowimage.jpeg Am I correct in my thoughts that the NEM pockets are at the wrong height? - the couplings seem to have a very large crank from the photo. Can anyone confirm as I use Kadee's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Am I correct in my thoughts that the NEM pockets are at the wrong height? - the couplings seem to have a very large crank from the photo. Can anyone confirm as I use Kadee's. You are correct, I am thinking how to successfully couple mine to a loco using kadees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted February 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2018 The buffers are too high as well So what’s out? Is it the wheels? It it the bogies? If it’s the bogies Cambrian do very nice replacements :/ Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2018 The buffers are too high as well So what’s out? Is it the wheels? It it the bogies? If it’s the bogies Cambrian do very nice replacements :/ Griff Something is obviously to cock. If you are going to have to start replacing bogies you might as well start with a Cambrian Kit, or just the body mouldings and for further refinements add on the aftermarket goodies. Poor show IMHO. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Thank goodness for Cambrian. Half the price and twice as accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2018 Thank goodness for Cambrian. Half the price and twice as accurate. , and twicer as accurate again with Rumney/Lanarkshire/Stenson accoutrements. Mike. (not doing %ages!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Truss !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SHerr Posted February 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) You are correct, I am thinking how to successfully couple mine to a loco mine to a loco using kadeesMany Thanks for photo - wow that’s miles out, worse than the older Bachmann stuff by my reckoning. Unless you want a dedicated rake hauled by an older 40 or 45! Sadly that’s 3 or 4 that I won’t be buying. I will wait for the Dapol one and see if they can do better than decide between that and some Cambrian ones - I have one already but find painting the yellow is a pig to get the line straight with all the bracing, stiffeners and doors. Edited February 19, 2018 by SHerr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just done a crude experiment. I have super glued another NEM Pocket under the original fitted pocket. I will be running a permanent rake of 5 Turbots so only need one kadee at one end to be the correct height to couple to a loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thank God I didn't buy any... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thank God I didn't buy any...Me too! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
87023Velocity Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Think that has made my mind up, none of these for me. Going to stick with Cambrian kits as they are nice kit to build and look right. Out of interest, the wheels used on the Cambrian versions I have built (post#64) are standard 12mm diameter, not sure if its me (it could well be!) but the Kernow wheels look bigger (14mm)? Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted February 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2018 Something is obviously to cock. If you are going to have to start replacing bogies you might as well start with a Cambrian Kit, or just the body mouldings and for further refinements add on the aftermarket goodies. Poor show IMHO. Mike. I was being very ironic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 ... find painting the yellow is a pig to get the line straight with all the bracing, stiffeners and doors. I had a similar problem when painting the cab inside of an 08.I solved it by painting the base colour (in this case white) and then using block colour transfer sheets in black to do the lower half of the cab. Perhaps something similar might work here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Floor needs painting a dirty bare wood colour, and for real realism cut one of the planks out leaving a hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Floor needs painting a dirty bare wood colour Did they have wooden floors then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Did they have wooden floors then? Yes, it was only the small number of later Heron conversions that were upgraded to steel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the most unusual thing about the coupling mounting. Is this the first RTR piece of bogie rolling stock on which the coupling isn't attached to the bogie but to the main body? And has anyone yet tested a rake on tight-radius curves to see how they behave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Think that has made my mind up, none of these for me. Going to stick with Cambrian kits as they are nice kit to build and look right. Out of interest, the wheels used on the Cambrian versions I have built (post#64) are standard 12mm diameter, not sure if its me (it could well be!) but the Kernow wheels look bigger (14mm)? Cheers Simon I've checked the Kernow models on my desk and the wheels are 12.3mm diameter; my first observations are that any height disparities are caused by the bogie mounting onto the underside onto a raised disc to give sufficient allowances for model track variations. I don't think a prototypical clearance would work well on most track. I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the most unusual thing about the coupling mounting. Is this the first RTR piece of bogie rolling stock on which the coupling isn't attached to the bogie but to the main body? And has anyone yet tested a rake on tight-radius curves to see how they behave? A quick examination on the desk shows this shouldn't be an issue. Edited February 21, 2018 by Andy Y Pic added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Before... After With a slight switch... Bogies compared... Underframes compared (showing coupling pockets attached to the body, and the screw based bogie pin on both) There’s some play on the Kernow turbot, but as the ICI bogie demonstrates.. there’s room for a 12mm bogie wheel underneath and get the height correct, I may take off the extra lip around the pivot hole on the bogie of the turbot. Note the underframe of the ICI hopper gives space for the wheels, which the turbot does not, though there’s about a MM of space between wheel flange and body under the turbot, it can be reduced a little with minimal effort. Edited February 21, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I have removed the extra lip at the top of the Turbot bogies and this has reduced the bogie height, so that it now matches to the recent Tiger bogie hoppers and I've had it running at the same height with Hornby Seacow hoppers. The removal doesn't cause any clearance problems, as there is still a raised lip around the pivot on the chassis. There is still sufficient up and down movement for inclines, in fact more movement than with the recent Tiger hopper wagons. I managed to file off the bogie lips on 6 wagons yesterday morning in about an hour. Have not reduced the height of the pivot lug, so the bogies do have a fair amount of vertical movement. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2018 I've checked the Kernow models on my desk and the wheels are 12.3mm diameter; my first observations are that any height disparities are caused by the bogie mounting onto the underside onto a raised disc to give sufficient allowances for model track variations. I don't think a prototypical clearance would work well on most track. The ICI hopper in the pic below is going to have some problems then Andy?! . 6C867D79-ED84-4AAB-8413-1D5681B0C676.jpeg Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The ICI hopper in the pic below is going to have some problems then Andy?! Floors and flanges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 There has been some discussion on the design of the trusses. What effect does this modification have on those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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