kandc_au Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just a quick question.Was just reading a website while looking for info on a loco and there was a comment that the 57XX was the second most prolific class in the UK with 800 odd loco's. Needless to say my questions is, What is/has been the most prolific class in the UK? Khris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) According to Wikipedia the br 08 ran to 996 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_08 Which made it the most numerous British locomotive class. Edited November 21, 2017 by Satan's Goldfish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 A propos the debate elsewhere regarding preservation of Pacers and HSTs, the humble “Gronk” surely deserves a place in the pantheon; ubiquitous, the exemplar of a kind and genuinely useful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Normally the Ramsbottom DX 0-6-0, running to 943 locomotives (857 on the LNWR and 86 on the LYR) are regarded as the most numerous steam loco class, which is probably what the 57xx piece alludes to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Thanks for the responses. When I googled I obviously didn't use the correct wording Khris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Normally the Ramsbottom DX 0-6-0, running to 943 locomotives (857 on the LNWR and 86 on the LYR) are regarded as the most numerous steam loco class, which is probably what the 57xx piece alludes to. With the 935 Riddles/NBL 2-8-0s built for the War Department very close behind. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 With the 935 Riddles/NBL 2-8-0s built for the War Department very close behind. Jim Did all of them work in the UK though? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to Wikipedia the br 08 ran to 996 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_08 Which made it the most numerous British locomotive class. It's actually higher than that, when you include class 09 (different gearing) and class 10 (different engine). The true figure is closer to 1200, and that's without the very similar LMS, SR and GWR locos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 All pales into insignificance when you consider the Russian E 0-10-0. They only built over 11,000 of them. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm sure we've had this thread before, and last time I suggested the very humble Motor Rail (Simplex) locos that originated as the MR&TCCo 20hp rail tractor, built for WDLR during WW1. But, I acknowledge that this depends upon what one defines as a 'class', given that the design evolved over the years. But, but, as suggested by others, the EE 350hp DE shunter has to be the real winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted November 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2017 Triang Jinty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 All pales into insignificance when you consider the Russian E 0-10-0. They only built over 11,000 of them. Jason Quite true, but there is a bit more of Russia for them to spread themselves out than can be done in Britain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 Thanks for all the responses! I was just curious! Khris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2017 Normally the Ramsbottom DX 0-6-0, running to 943 locomotives (857 on the LNWR and 86 on the LYR) are regarded as the most numerous steam loco class, which is probably what the 57xx piece alludes to. Did all the LNWR ones exist at the same time? I seem to remember that early ones were scrapped while new ones still under construction. The LYR ones were built and sold by the LNWR, before a law was passed preventing railway companies from selling to one another. The private builders were behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) I'm surprised no-one has suggested Flying Scotsman! After all, the popular press seem to think it is the only loco that existed, everyone knows of it, and their grandad/uncle/brother have all driven it. So it must be the most prolific loco ever? Stewart Edited November 22, 2017 by stewartingram 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Did all of the Gronks exist at the same time? With the build period for the 08s alone being more than a decade (1952 - 1962) without considering 09s, 10s, etc. Don't know when the earliest withdrawals of these happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 47555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Did all of the Gronks exist at the same time? With the build period for the 08s alone being more than a decade (1952 - 1962) without considering 09s, 10s, etc. Don't know when the earliest withdrawals of these happened. I'll answer my own question - reading the Wikipedia page for the class suggests that the first withdrawal was in 1967. Also noted an error on the Wikipedia page - 08991 and 08992 were vacuum brakes only. That is why they were withdrawn and replaced with 08994 and 08995. I believe BPGV stock went from HTV to HEA which necessitated the change. Obviously enough 'spare' 08s at the time to convert two air braked examples rather than attempt to add air brake equipment to the existing pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2017 Looking at those 08 numbers what would have been done with TOPS numbering if there were more than 1000 in a class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Identify some footling distinguishing feature, like the position of the bend in the radiator overflow pipes, and group them into two separate classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I'm surprised no-one has suggested Flying Scotsman! After all, the popular press seem to think it is the only loco that existed, everyone knows of it, and their grandad/uncle/brother have all driven it. So it must be the most prolific loco ever? Stewart Depends if you count Triang/Hornby examples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2017 I'm surprised no-one has suggested Flying Scotsman! After all, the popular press seem to think it is the only loco that existed, everyone knows of it, and their grandad/uncle/brother have all driven it. So it must be the most prolific loco ever? Stewart Is that the train or the locomotive? The FS must be the model most produced by different manufacturers. Some quite good and others dreadful. As previously discussed. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/121001-worst-flying-scotman-ever/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 If we are now talking about models then surely it's the GWR Holden or CR Smokey Joe. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Looking at those 08 numbers what would have been done with TOPS numbering if there were more than 1000 in a class? Identify some footling distinguishing feature, like the position of the bend in the radiator overflow pipes, and group them into two separate classes? Like splitting the 09's into an class of their own based on the difference in gear ratios? If you put the 08's & 09's together, you get 1022 machines. At least the 10's, 11's & 12's had a stronger basis for having an entire class of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2017 Like splitting the 09's into an class of their own based on the difference in gear ratios? If you put the 08's & 09's together, you get 1022 machines. At least the 10's, 11's & 12's had a stronger basis for having an entire class of their own. Good point, sounds like the type of difference that would normally just result in a different sub-class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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