toffee Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Anyone on the Project 22 Facebook page last night would have seen a very good 3D graphic of a 22 model bogie.........so it's a baby Deltic then.... Not :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Forgot to add, what we will need is a good 1960s China Clay wagon to go with it ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nth Degree Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Anyone on the Project 22 Facebook page last night would have seen a very good 3D graphic of a 22 model bogie.........so it's a baby Deltic then.... Not :-) I saw that too. Looks really nice. Prototypical drive system within the fully detailed bogie. Someone has spent a lot of time engineering that... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I saw that too. Looks really nice. Prototypical drive system within the fully detailed bogie. Someone has spent a lot of time engineering that... Oh yes, the 3D is breathtakingly wonderful, never seen a diesel bogie that is as prototypical as that, now who's done it I wonder ? Haven't a clue ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2017 Oh yes, the 3D is breathtakingly wonderful, never seen a diesel bogie that is as prototypical as that, now who's done it I wonder ? Haven't a clue ! That would be DJM then? There was one in N Gauge.... Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 ...and one on Dave's 0 gauge list but it doesn't seem to have progressed. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodekka Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Anyone on the Project 22 Facebook page last night would have seen a very good 3D graphic of a 22 model bogie.........so it's a baby Deltic then.... Not :-) Gentlemen, gentlemen, order please... A couple of facts if I may be so bold. The CL22 was a North British loco with MAN engines and hydraulic transmission. Known in some circles as Baby Warships, although a less common term. The CL23 was an English Electric loco with a Napier engine. Known widely as a Baby Deltic. Key points are that the CL22 was western region based, CL23 was eastern region based. Both classes are/were extinct and therefore both candidates for frothing.... Projects currently exist for recreation of both types. The key pointers here are the engine and transmissions, that will be the differentiator once all is known... The case for the defence rests M'lud... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Sorry Low Decker, if you look at the 3D image it's obviously a 22, it's fitted with spoked wheels. I was just slightly pulling the legs of those on here who were hoping for a BD. Project 22 is building a 22, they would hardly put up images of a 23 bogie would they ? They have let the cat out of the bag, either by accident or design. Steve has said that the mystery type 2 has no ER connections. He has also recently said the new loco has " 8 versions of the nose to consider " The prosecution rests its case....:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I'm a bit wiser now and the Project 22 is a very interesting and laudable venture. For those who were/are as mystified as I was: http://project22society.co.uk/ (assuming this is what we're talking about). A Class 22 is somewhat out of region for me but I am watching with interest. After all I did buy a WR AC Railbus. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Steve has said that the mystery type 2 has no ER connections. He has also recently said the new loco has " 8 versions of the nose to consider " The prosecution rests its case....:-) What are the 8 versions? I'm no 'oil slosher' expert, but I can't think of 8 versions of a Class 22 nose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I just knew someone would ask this question ! Not any kind of expert myself and off the top of my head I can only guess of 5 major differences but I think those wanting to find some info can wade through these. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/51518-class-22-detail-variation/page-2 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/1150-Dapol-class-22/?&fromsearch=1 Have fun ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Not many went Blue and these only lasted a few years, so pick your loco with care, my JLTRT 22 was one of the few that never went Blue. Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodekka Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Sorry Low Decker, if you look at the 3D image it's obviously a 22, it's fitted with spoked wheels. I was just slightly pulling the legs of those on here who were hoping for a BD. Project 22 is building a 22, they would hardly put up images of a 23 bogie would they ? They have let the cat out of the bag, either by accident or design. Steve has said that the mystery type 2 has no ER connections. He has also recently said the new loco has " 8 versions of the nose to consider " The prosecution rests its case....:-) Hi Toffee, Of course, I would agree that a CL22 recreation group would naturally show CAD model of its own items. But I was simply highlighting the major differences between the types. Also agreed that it was previously stated that the new LLC model would not be an ER based loco. I just hoped it wouldn't be a CL22. Plea for clemency from the dock M'lud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Prisoner in the dock, Taking your previous good behaviour into account the court accepts your plea for clemency. Case dismissed. I'm going to look really stupid now if it turns up a Baby Deltic !!!! Mad, quite mad ;:-) John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I'm going to look really stupid now if it turns up a Baby Deltic !!!! Mad, quite mad ;:-) John. Especially since earlier in the thread, it was stated that the model in question has no connection with the Eastern Region Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2017 These GW/Western Region modellers must have pots of money to buy their pannier/prairie/mogul/14xx steam and Western/Warship/?cl22 hydraulics...and DMUs...there is a wall of Western RTR coming down the line! Just saying as I don't personally need any more locos, just time to build a layout and some kits. Good to see some BR & earlier wagons coming through from Dapol. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 These GW/Western Region modellers must have pots of money to buy their pannier/prairie/mogul/14xx steam and Western/Warship/?cl22 hydraulics...and DMUs...there is a wall of Western RTR coming down the line! Just saying as I don't personally need any more locos, just time to build a layout and some kits. Good to see some BR & earlier wagons coming through from Dapol. Dava Guilty as charged ! Whilst not being a WR modeller I do think the small stuff is very attractive, mind so do you as I remember seeing the railbus on your model ! I'm proposing a series of micro layouts, mine will be a WR China clay 60s with a railbus, railcar, 63xx, warship. Col Stephens with a Terrier and a Hudswell Clarke and a couple of connoisseur coaches, and a 60s BR scrap siding which could have anything but mine will have a Fowler and a 15. I'll just move between layouts as the mood takes me ! It's not all bad for the others is it ? I mean the ER chap has a 15, 20, 25, 31, 37, 40, in diesels and I'm not sure in steam, like wise the LMs will have a Jinty. I'm sure more branch line power will appear in the near future from all directions for the 0 scale man. As you say it's stock we want, and the recent Dapol and Lionheart wagons are brilliant. We really need a 4/6 wheel coach now to follow the Light Railway theme. We have come an amazing distance in a very short time I feel. Well done to all the manufacturers. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 These GW/Western Region modellers must have pots of money to buy their pannier/prairie/mogul/14xx steam and Western/Warship/?cl22 hydraulics...and DMUs.. I don't have pots of money "but"... the thing about all this new R-T-R O scale stuff is that you don't need as much money as you did just a few years back. Many's the time I looked at the price of the Tower brass 8750 Pannier, and just could not justify £500 for it. Even the price of loco kits adds up when wheels, gears and motors are added; then you have two golden opportunities to make a complete Horlicks of a kit; firstly in it's construction, and then in it's painting. The current crop of locos at-or-around the £200 mark has been a Game Changer for O Scale, and though I expect LLC's Type 2 to be rather more than that, I bet it'll still knock spots off Heljan diesel prices, even with the usual discounts!! *thought* = has anyone actually ever paid full RRP for a Heljan diesel?? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Not if you buy off eBay ! Just got a LBSCR Terrier in lovely condition for a decent price for my Col Stevens micro, you just have to wait a bit for the right loco to come along !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 These GW/Western Region modellers must have pots of money to buy their pannier/prairie/mogul/14xx steam and Western/Warship/?cl22 hydraulics...and DMUs...there is a wall of Western RTR coming down the line! Just saying as I don't personally need any more locos, just time to build a layout and some kits. Good to see some BR & earlier wagons coming through from Dapol. Dava You forgot to add a Class D600 and Class 14 Teddy RTR as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2017 You forgot to add a Class D600 and Class 14 Teddy RTR as well What, RTR? I know people want a class 14 [your handle gives it away], but a D600? Why? As Victor Mildred would have said, 'I don't believe it!' I see Tower are discounting 'Falcon's' to clear, we may see more of this with the future unsold outputs of the Heljan factory I suspect. Back to the LLC thread, I would hope the astute owner and more innovative design, drive, technology & detail we've seen so far with the class 15 will continue to appeal to the market. Just waiting for the 48DS now. The U.K - sourced supply chain is promising even at a price premium. Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) What, RTR? I know people want a class 14 [your handle gives it away], but a D600? Why? As Victor Mildred would have said, 'I don't believe it!' I see Tower are discounting 'Falcon's' to clear, we may see more of this with the future unsold outputs of the Heljan factory I suspect. Back to the LLC thread, I would hope the astute owner and more innovative design, drive, technology & detail we've seen so far with the class 15 will continue to appeal to the market. Just waiting for the 48DS now. The U.K - sourced supply chain is promising even at a price premium. Dava DJH have doing a RTR Class 14 Ted for a while in O gauge and yes a RTR D600 would be great and complete the hydraulic range. Yes you’re can get it in a kit from JLTRT but by the time you get the kit and bits to go with it your not far off a grand. Edited October 20, 2017 by TEDDYBEAR D9521 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Have you seen 1) the price, and 2) the *ahem*, er... "quality" of the DJH Class 14..??!! Fear not; a decent, affordable R-T-R Class 14 will be made available just as soon as I finish my PRMRP kit. Then again, that could be a decade off, yet, who knows?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 What are the 8 versions? I'm no 'oil slosher' expert, but I can't think of 8 versions of a Class 22 nose. Definately about 8 , if you include the pilot scheme locos - theres two very distinct sizes of headcode boxes , at least a solid six variations on the production locos - then of course there's a few that that were different at each end - a rather unfriendly class of locos for RTR manufacturers- but they are charming looking things. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) a quick snap from some jltrt instructions - these are production loco noses, but there's one more version not shown with different headcode boxes, and as mentioned before , the pilot scheme locos are different again. Jon Edited October 21, 2017 by 43179 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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