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It was rationalisation - accelerated by a derailment - which meant that the facing move (right line) was no longer available, so the trains had to run wrong line between Ellesmere Port No.4 and Ellesmere Port No.2. The view in DAS000002 shows the crossover still in place but it was out of use at the time.

Wrong line running was authorised between Ellesmere Port Nr4 and Nr2 before the derailment (one of three in fairly quick succession in 1978/1979) that took out the facing crossover at Ellesmere Port Nr2.

After the derailment it was the only way to access the West End yard for a train from the Helsby direction.

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Hi Russ, not sure of the reason but they were certainly out of service. No further details I'm afraid, I took the shots on a whim while looking out of the back of Dee Marsh Junction signal box. It#s a pity I didn't wander over and take some more detailed shots - hindsight and all that.

Wasn't the closure of the plant preceded by a nation-wide steelworkers' strike? Shelton Bar and many other plants lost their iron-making facilities at this time; some works closed completely, whilst others, such as Shotton and Shelton, retained rolling and processing capabilities.

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Taken on the same day as the box photos, I was lucky to catch a pair of 25s heading to Warrington to collect a train and bring it back to Dee Marsh.

 

DAS000020

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25123(f) and 25073 run light engine from Dee Marsh Junction - Mickle Trafford and then to Warrington, passing Sealand signal box

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DAS000020 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000021

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25123(f) and 25073 run light engine from Dee Marsh Junction - Mickle Trafford and then to .... passing Sealand signal box

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DAS000021 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

DAS000028

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25073(f) and 25123 head a Warrington - Shotwick Ore train at Sealand

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DAS000028 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000029

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25073(f) and 25123 head a Warrington - Shotwick Ore train at Sealand

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DAS000029 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

I don't recollect any ore looking like that; it looks more like sand for glass-making. Oakamoor (near Stoke) used to send loads to various terminals around Warrington and St Helens; were there any glassworks around Sealand? It was also used for things like scouring powders, so Port Sunlight might be a possibility.

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DAS000051

Helsby

08/08/1981

Helsby signal box diagram

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DAS000051 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

I took a few photos at Helsby last year with a possible view to using it as the basis for a model. I didn't realise that there was a connection "round the back" - the exchange siding.

 

 

Cheers,

Mick

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I don't recollect any ore looking like that; it looks more like sand for glass-making. Oakamoor (near Stoke) used to send loads to various terminals around Warrington and St Helens; were there any glassworks around Sealand? It was also used for things like scouring powders, so Port Sunlight might be a possibility.

 

Not unless it was used in the steel process. Not going to Sunlight as it would have turned right at Helsby and headed through Ellesmere Port.

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DAS000044

Helsby

08/08/1981(Saturday)

Helsby signal box from the Chester bound platform

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DAS000044 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

 

DAS000046

Helsby

08/08/1981

Helsby Down Main home 3, tubular steel, co-acting, straight post, upper quadrant

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DAS000046 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Dave,

I hope you don't mind me posting a couple of comparison photos taken some 36 years later!

 

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Cheers,

MIck

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Same signal, they chopped the top off and capped it with the finial.

 

 I wonder why?

Still the same footbridge and presumably the same sighting lines - necessitating the co-acting arm in the first place.

 

Cheers.

Mick

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DAS000057
Ellesmere Port
08/08/1981
Ellesmre Port No.2 signal box.
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DAS000057 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000058
Ellesmere Port
08/08/1981
Ellesmere Port No.2 Down Home with Ellesmere Port No.4 outer distant, straight post, tubular Steel, upper quadrant, and signal box
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DAS000058 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000064
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Mickle Trafford signal box and line to Dee Marsh
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DAS000064 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000065
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Mickle Trafford signal box diagram
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DAS000065 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000066
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Levers 1 -23 at Mickle Trafford signal box
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DAS000066 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000067
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Levers 1 -23 at Mickle Trafford signal box
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DAS000067 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000068
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
BR Standard block instruments at Mickle Trafford signal box - "Plastic Penguins"
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DAS000068 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000069
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Repeaters for signals 33,34 and 35 at Mickle Trafford  signal box, Up goods homes and distant
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DAS000069 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

DAS000070
Mickle Trafford
08/08/1981
Signal Repeaters for Up colour light signals at Mickle Trafford signal box
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DAS000070 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 


 I wonder why?

Still the same footbridge and presumably the same sighting lines - necessitating the co-acting arm in the first place.

 

Cheers.

Mick

 

Height regs, except in very special cases, or possibly corrosion on the upper arm fittings

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Taken on the same day as the box photos, I was lucky to catch a pair of 25s heading to Warrington to collect a train and bring it back to Dee Marsh.

 

DAS000020

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25123(f) and 25073 run light engine from Dee Marsh Junction - Mickle Trafford and then to Warrington, passing Sealand signal box

29021708458_c45ba74d45_c.jpg

DAS000020 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000021

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25123(f) and 25073 run light engine from Dee Marsh Junction - Mickle Trafford and then to .... passing Sealand signal box

42846062152_2d16265897_c.jpg

DAS000021 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

DAS000028

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25073(f) and 25123 head a Warrington - Shotwick Ore train at Sealand

42846059032_9cba8da927_c.jpg

DAS000028 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000029

Sealand

19/04/1979(Thursday)

25073(f) and 25123 head a Warrington - Shotwick Ore train at Sealand

41993745095_c7598e3a1e_c.jpg

DAS000029 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

Great record these. I recall spending 2-3 weeks on the line to Mickle Trafford in summer of 1978. Felling telegraph poles, we never saw a train as it was Shotton holiday shutdown.

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DAS000072

Settle Station

03/07/1981

Signs at Settle station

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DAS000072 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

DAS000073

Settle Station

03/07/1981

Settle station box and goods shed

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DAS000073 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

I hope Dave doesn't mind another then and now.

I was out to watch the 60 go by at Settle today and then snapped this:

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The arrows are still there (although probably not original) and the box long since closed and moved to the end of the station car park as a visitor centre for the Friends of the Settle and Carlisle Railway. It has working levers an a couple of demonstration signals and point tiebar/locking.

 

Cheers,

Mick

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Bromborough - my local station! Stood on the old loading dock many times. I hope you don't mind Dave, but here's a photo of mine - also from 1981 - looking back towards the box:

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Thanks for the post - great!

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Hi Dave. A big thankyou from me for posting these here (and elsewhere) as your shots of LNWR Type4 boxes are absolutely invaluable to me.

 

The external ones give lots of variations on the theme allowing me to create a generic but prototypical Box.

The internal shots give a wealth of detail on layout, fixtures and fittings, (and most importantly for me), carpentry details as i'm building a LNWR Type 4 size J Tumbler wooden Cabin in 5" gauge.

 

I have taken the liberty to download the relevant shots, from your thread(s), and will abide by your terms of use.

But I have a question which requires me to reproduce (and thus breaking at least two of your conditions) an extract of a photo of yours.

(I hope you don't mind and will remove it if you don't want me to do this.)

 

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Extract from a Dave Skipsey photo DAS000107 shown further up this thread.

 

What are the two upright things going through the window bottom shelf, ringed in red by me, and how are they used/operated?

I can see the yellow one is linked to Lever 32 (wilt a wire tension adjuster in fromt) and one is white (out of use).

 

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

 

Kev.

(PS. what was the green box for in between them?)

 

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The yellow and white posts were based for the LNWR style arm repeaters for the up distant signals when they were lower quadrants. The repeater for the UQ distant was mounted on the block shelf.

The green box is an ex army ammunition box and was used for storing detonators; they appeared in the boxes about 1978/9.

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