RMweb Gold SHMD Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2018 Normally, the ex-LNWR boxes had two bars where the windows opened and one bar when they didn't. Port Sunlight Sidings 24/6/1977. 010 24-6-1977.jpg ...and Polesworth 22/71987. Polesworth 19870722 002.jpg These are stunning photographs for me Mr FlyingSignalMan. Polesworth shows the external walkways missing (no doubt health and safety - and a large drop onto the running lines!). Port Sunlight Sidings is, well, mana. (drool drool...) It is a full wooden cabin - like my current build. It shows the type 4 size K brilliantly - I'm modelling a type 4 size J. It shows great locking room door detail fabulously. The Cabin room floor is quite high at 10 to 12' above rail height. Guttering fixings spacings detail is shown. The Locking room windows are VERY tall. The Cabin's name board is not fixed directly to cabin. The cladding - for such a long box - is still very uniform (unlike, say Greenfield). ...but the piece de resistance is the decorative facia board half way up the cabin separating the Locking room and the main Signal Cabin. There is a piece missing (nearest corner) which allows you to see the construction underneath. Also, from this, you can infer where the cross beams were just below this - the bolts are visible. I will have to visit my plans again but this is brilliant - thank you both. (changing plans is better than changing finished models!) There is loads of other detail too. Is that a Webb 15+15+15 frame - I don't know as Port Sunlight Jn. is no listed in my 4 books? What I have learnt about LNWR Type4 Boxes is that there are so many differences on a standard theme that you can pretty much do what you want and it will still be "Proto-typical!". Kev. (the more I look, the more I see - thanks again...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Thanks so much for posting your photos, I was born in the North West, but having lived in Canada so long, I have to resort to maps to familiarize myself with where some of these places are actually located. TomD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 18, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 Is that a Webb 15+15+15 frame - I don't know as Port Sunlight Jn. is no listed in my 4 books? 2+16+16+16 = 50 levers, A,B + 1-48, LNWR Tumbler frame, opened 1902, closed 1986 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) On 17/07/2018 at 21:48, flyingsignalman said: Normally, the ex-LNWR boxes had two bars where the windows opened and one bar when they didn't. Port Sunlight Sidings 24/6/1977. 010 24-6-1977.jpg Port Sunlight again - for completeness, here's one of the back: Edited September 13, 2022 by billy_anorak59 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post beast66606 Posted July 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2018 Some lovely backplates in Frodsham Junction (unfortunately the first photo is blurred) - removed not long after the photos were taken and the ones I've seen come up on Railwayania sales now command a very high price. Recently (Feb 2018) the lever frame was replaced by a panel as part of the Halton Chord reinstatement. DAS000182Frodsham Junction02/08/1981 (Sunday)Backplates in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000182 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000183Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Backplates in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000183 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000184Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Backplates in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000184 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000185Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Backplates in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000185 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000186Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Repeaters for signals 2,4 and 5 in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000186 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000187Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Repeaters for signals 30 and 32 in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000187 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000188Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Backplate, "Warrington Distant" in Frodsham Junction signal box, Lever 32DAS000188 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000189Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Backplate, "Runcorn Home" in Frodsham Junction signal box, Lever 28DAS000189 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000190Frodsham Junction02/08/1981BR Standard Block to Norton Station in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000190 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000191Frodsham Junction02/08/1981BR Standard Block to Halton Junction in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000191 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000192Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Track circuit indicators in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000192 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000193Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Track circuit indicator and signal repeaters in Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000193 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000194Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Frodsham Junction signal box diagramDAS000194 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000195Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Levers 14 - 32 at Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000195 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000196Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Levers 1 - 14 at Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000196 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000197Frodsham Junction02/08/1981BR Standard Block to Helsby at Frodsham Junction signal boxDAS000197 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000198Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Frodsham Junction Up Main home 2, lever 3, Tubular steel, Up Loop Starter visible, lever 20DAS000198 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000200Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Nameplate for the old "Halton" signal box, at the entrance road for Frodsham JunctionDAS000200 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000201Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Frodsham Junction Up Main Home 1, tubular steelDAS000201 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2018 When I first posted a poor quality version of this it seemed to get DMU fans excited so can anyone add anything more please ? DAS000199Frodsham Junction02/08/1981DMU for Chester passes over the facing connection to the Up Loop at Frodsham JunctionDAS000199 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2018 ^ Looks like a class103 leading. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2018 Another set of fantastic photos, thanks for sharing. Quick question, in DAS000201 (the rear shot of Frodsham Junction Up Main Home 1) do you know what the white disc is for - is it connected to the arm repeater link? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2018 Another set of fantastic photos, thanks for sharing. Quick question, in DAS000201 (the rear shot of Frodsham Junction Up Main Home 1) do you know what the white disc is for - is it connected to the arm repeater link? Regards, Ian. Yes - its the contact box, so when the arm moves it makes / breaks the circuit. That one is LMS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2018 Yes - its the contact box, so when the arm moves it makes / breaks the circuit. That one is LMS Thanks Beast. Although I've climbed a few mechanical signals in my early railway career, I've not come across the disc arrangement before. But if it was an LMS practice then not surprising it escaped me as my signal climbing days were on the ER. Once again, many thanks. Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm81 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The likes I see as an indication people are looking at the thread. Personally I "like" posts from other people to acknowledge the posting - for example Dave has a fantastic thread going and I like each of his photo posts, not all are of major interest to me, but I know he's taken time and effort to post it, so I acknowledge that with a like however It's the interaction I'm after - I've asked a couple of times for DMU experts to assist with identifying the classes in photos, I know I could research and find out but then I'd have less time to scan, catalogue and post the photos so like signalling questions I was hoping that those in the know would assist. I did wander away from the Wirral, there are North Wales photos soon, Reading, Doncaster, Dundee, March, Guide Bridge ( including 76s) all sorts of places will appear in time, I've currently posted around 167, I have catalogued 1600 and scanned 3000 with a further 1500 on the "to scan" list - and then I move to the next negative album, and there are several more to get through after that. Please do keep posting, some of us though we don't have any interaction right now are watching with interest. We do appreciate the time you're spending to share these with us. Once you get round to Doncaster (or anywhere east coast) I'm sure I'll have questions and comments. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Please do keep posting, some of us though we don't have any interaction right now are watching with interest. We do appreciate the time you're spending to share these with us. Once you get round to Doncaster (or anywhere east coast) I'm sure I'll have questions and comments. Ditto. Just found this thread and spent an enjoyable half hour going through and 'liking'. Can't add anything useful or informative at the moment, only to say that views of the internals of (mainly) long lost mechanical signalboxes are great and only usually the province of a privileged few so thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejames Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 hello like, I suspect, many viewers of this thread I find it rather different from other threads and offering many photos of infrastructure that could be very useful for modellers. Again, like others, I don't keep clicking 'like' but that doesn't mean I don't think it is useful. So please keep posting the photos - and text mike james Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 I've been having problems trying to upload photos to Flickr, so I've not managed to get many onto my site, here's some of the the few I've managed to upload so far in what has been a very frustrating time with Flickr, several hours of trying yesterday resulted in no uploads. DAS000202Tutbury19/06/1981 (Friday)Crewe bound DMU passes Tutbury Crossing signal boxDAS000202 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr DAS000203Norwich20/06/198131319 stands at the top of the platforms at Norwich ThorpeDAS000203 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000204Norwich20/06/1981 (Friday)47576 stands at the top of the platforms at Norwich Thorpe, on a London Liverpool Street working ?DAS000204 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000205Norwich20/06/1981Platform 1 and 2 starters at Norwich ThorpeDAS000205 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000206Norwich20/06/198131319 at Norwich Thorpe Junction on a Norwich - ?, heading towards Whiltingham Junction so Cromer / Sheringham / Great Yarmout / LowestoftDAS000206 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000207Norwich20/06/198137036 passes Norwich Thorpe Junction as it approaches Norwich Thorpe, journeys end.DAS000207 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000208Norwich20/06/198131410 passes Norwich Thorpe Junction as it approaches Norwich Thorpe, journeys end, from Cromer / Sheringham / Great Yarmouth or LowestoftDAS000208 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000209Norwich20/06/198131263 at Norwich Thorpe Junction on a Norwich - ?, heading towards Whiltingham Junction so Cromer / Sheringham / Great Yarmout / LowestoftDAS000209 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 Frodsham Junction DAS000210Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Frodsham Junction Down Main (Warrington) starter, lever 30, tubular steelDAS000210 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000211Frodsham Junction02/08/1981Frodsham Junction Up Main Home 1 and Up Main to Loop, tubular steel, levers 2 and 19, mounted on the end of Halton station platform (closed 07/07/1952) The rear of this signal, viewed from the road bridge, is DAS000201 above.DAS000211 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 Finally some shots of Edge Hill, this was the original panel which had been altered over the years as things contracted, it was replaced a couple of years after the photos. I managed to give the Liverpool - Newcastle Express cats eyes, instead of a green while having a go on the panel, my mate (sadly passed on now) made me speak to the amused driver, and hold the button for 2 minutes to cancel the wrong route and reset - happy days. DAS000212Edge Hill08/08/1981 (Saturday)Edge Hill PSB - phonesDAS000212 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000213Edge Hill08/08/1981Edge Hill PSB - train describerDAS000213 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000214Edge Hill08/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panel - Wavertree Junction areaDAS000214 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000215Edge Hill08/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panel - Bootle Branch Junction areaDAS000215 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000217Edge Hill15/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panelDAS000217 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000218Edge Hill15/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panelDAS000218 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000219Edge Hill15/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panelDAS000219 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000220Edge Hill15/08/1981Edge Hill PSB panelDAS000220 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 DAS000216Bromborough17/06/198147204 heads towards Hooton ? and Ellesmere Port / Stanlow ? at BromboroughDAS000216 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2018 Cracking photos Dave, many thanks for sharing. Particularly like DAS000203 at Norwich, with the semaphore signals and theatre type route indicator. Also DAS000216 at Bromborough, nice variation of the head code panel for the modellers. Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2018 DAS000220 Edge Hill 15/08/1981 Edge Hill PSB panel DAS000220 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr Like the mod to the diagram! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 Like the mod to the diagram! Overlays were quite common - even the "Aldi" versions .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Overlays were quite common - even the "Aldi" versions .. I remember being shown around one of the 1930s-built PSBs in Newcastle, after most of its functions had migrated to Tyneside IECC; virtually all of the diagram was blanked-out using 'gaffer tape'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Got to say, love this photos of the old signals. Considering how fast they are dissapearing now, network rail having the funds that BR whished it did to replace them. Those norwich photos, a duff, tractor, and peds everywhere. Keep them coming. Even the power boxes are going now. These photos remind us of what the railway used to be like. I was going to say how quickly thing change, but then I realised these photos are from over 35 years ago, and started to feel old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I used to like Flickr, but nowadays I find it has been so flooded with modern digital photos that searching for older images has become a nightmare; so please keep posting your photos here. They are so full of detail that few other photographers (me included) seemed to bother with while taking pictures of locomotives. And as with other individuals' threads (such as Dave F's) I can just scroll slowly down the page and know more or less what I am going to get without having to switch albums/collections or whatever they are called these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 Edge Hill - from the PSB window Note the "Oops! Scotties" moment in the background. DAS000224Edge Hill08/08/1981 (Saturday)40135 runs light at Edge HillDAS000224 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr DAS000241Edge Hill08/08/198187029, Earl Marischal, heads an Up Express passing Edge Hill PSBDAS000241 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2018 Edge Hill - from the PSB windowNote the "Oops! Scotties" moment in the background. DAS000224Edge Hill08/08/1981 (Saturday)40135 runs light at Edge HillDAS000224 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr DAS000241Edge Hill08/08/198187029, Earl Marischal, heads an Up Express passing Edge Hill PSBDAS000241 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr Hi Dave, I presume the rusty rails in the foreground are the result of the "mods" to the panel diagram. How long was it before the physical track was actually remodelled? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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