Nether Madder and Green Soudley Rly

[Corbs]

Surely the result of asking two apprentices to load the same wagon...

 

 

  

4 minutes ago, Martin S-C said:

I hadn't realised that there were such vigorous attempts to go the American route and introduce bogie freight vehicles by so many different British companies. It does seem a lost cause given the craft-shop style nature of so much British industry and bigger facilities like docks and major goods sheds with their turntables wedded to the 4-wheel wagon and the short journeys compared to the USA. The UK didn't see mass bogie freight traffic until well after the steam era but a what if scenario where that was not the case would make for an interesting layout.

http://www.lyrs.org.uk/images/uploads/D59_upper_web_version.jpg

https://www.g1mra.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/LYR-bogie-Van.pdf

http://www.railway-models-and-art.co.uk/blog/?cat=64

Getting back to livery, has anyone got colour photos of model D.3 vans or other L&Y goods vehicles to give me more info? I am tempted right now to weather directly on top of the Halfords undercoat which seems as good a mid-grey as any other.

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Corbs

[Martin S-C]

It does however show how you can get a bogie wagon around a 90deg bend using a 4-w wagon turntable - just not something you want to be doing multiple times a day in a big crowded yard.

[Annie]

6 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

Getting back to livery, has anyone got colour photos of model D.3 vans or other L&Y goods vehicles to give me more info? I am tempted right now to weather directly on top of the Halfords undercoat which seems as good a mid-grey as any other.

That sounds as good a plan as any other Martin.  'Mid grey' as applied to goods wagons is something that at the end of it has to come down to a darn good guess.  A nicely done weathering job can cover a multitude of sins.

[Phil Traxson]

Just a quick observation on Halfords grey primer. I have used it a lot on my models, often as the finished colour, and have noticed that the shade can vary from can to can. I thought at first it was down to poor shaking on my part but that does not seem to be the case as it was from can to can rather than one use to the next. Not massive differences but enough to notice. With weathering lightly afterwards my opinion is that this is an asset rather than a problem, giving subtle differences to the cleanliness or otherwise of the vehicle.

Phil T. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Phil Traxson

[Sandhole]

On 10/12/2021 at 12:12, Corbs said:

Surely the result of asking two apprentices to load the same wagon...

 

 

  

 

The L&Y was a very far-thinking line. They had long wheelbase wagons as standard. They had continuous brakes very early with well built advanced freight wagons.
The beast in the photo is vac fitted.
Chris.

[Martin S-C]

Thanks Chris. More and more I'm finding the concept of a pre-grouping railway company that was forward thinking and built bogie fitted freight cars as standard to be a quite attractive modelling proposition.

[Compound2632]

15 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

Thanks Chris. More and more I'm finding the concept of a pre-grouping railway company that was forward thinking and built bogie fitted freight cars as standard to be a quite attractive modelling proposition.

 

It existed:

 

[Martin S-C]

All done. The painting of the road van almost ended in tragedy. I really can't abide Railmatch paints! At first the colour would hardly adhere at all and even though I went carefully with several thin coats it still pooled around the detail like handrails. In disgust I pulled the clotted paint away physically from the detail using a knife blade and tweezers and then over painted the resulting bald patches with a dirt colour, intending to depict the van in extremely beaten up condition, but then I squirted a little of the rattle can paint into a dish and applied small amounts by brush to cover up the dirt patches and the effect wasn't so bad. The van has a kind of uneven paint fade or peeling effect and from certain angles and in certain light the darker patches take on a sense of those sections of the bodywork being bowed inwards indicating a van that is at the end of its life and in a year or two will become a shed in a farmers field. My usual transfers and a bit of ink wash to dull down the brasswork and oil lamp cover, then a dust drybush and I think I'll call it a day on that one.











Since the photos were taken I have tidied up the damaged roof edge with a fresh line of grey. I need to paint the side lamps as well - totally forgot about those

The L&Y van worked out well although again I had some paint woes, this time a Mig Ammo acrylic pot that wouldn't dry matt or even very stable no matter how long I shook it for. In the end I threw it away and made up my own mid grey by mixing light grey and black. The fact its variable is not really relevant under the layer of dirt. The HMRS flowery numbers for the ends and solebars were a (not) fun exercise in anger management but I got there and I'm glad I persevered as they give an L&Y vehicle its distinctive look.









And then the two monster fitted bogie opens. The 6-door Caley will carry dry goods so I need to make up a sheet to slot over it. I made a bunch of these a few years back for 4-wheel opens using simple drawing paper and shellac to harden them. The 4-door steel will carry minerals, possibly limestone, possibly ironstone both of which were mined in the Forest.













And still no progress on the actual layout

Edited December 15, 2021 by Martin S-C
EDIT: Ploppy spelling.

[Compound2632]

What primer did you use on the printed van?

[Martin S-C]

Motip acrylic white. It was an e-Bay buy so it could be that. I only use it on passenger vehicles and locos to ensure a bright colour. On freight I always use grey as a dull finish is better. I also used this primer on the 4 Victorian 4-wheel coaches I'm doing so we'll see how that works out, though I will brush-paint those.

It could also be the 3D print residue. I tried to scrub/wash off all the powder from the model with an old toothbrush but it was so fragile I couldn't apply much pressure.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Martin S-C

[Barry O]

I gave up with Railmatch and Precision spray cans as they clogged up/provided varied amounts of paint etc (and some never seemed to dry).

 

I try to make use of Halfords and Hycote rattle cans.. the primers are good, the colours stick.. so happy days!  

 

Hycote Paints

 

Baz

[Corbs]

I had the same issue as you Martin, the Railmatch cans were rubbish. Mine had loads of paint left in them but the pipes were clogged solid!

Nevertheless the wagons have turned out looking great.

[Regularity]

You can fit other manufacturer's nozzles to Railmatch cans, and get much better results, I am told.

(The late John Coulter tried this and was more than a little enthusiastic about the improved performance.)

 

[Bluemonkey presents....]

Agreed Railmatch rattle cans rubbish and should be banned from general sale.

 

Out of interest what are people using for mat varnish rattle cans now that testers has stopped being imported?

[Corbs]

26 minutes ago, Bluemonkey presents.... said:

Agreed Railmatch rattle cans rubbish and should be banned from general sale.

 

Out of interest what are people using for mat varnish rattle cans now that testers has stopped being imported?

 

I use Tamiya Matt Clear TS-80, run under the hot tap for about 30 seconds to a minute before spraying.

[Martin S-C]

I can't fit under my hot tap to run or walk, so should I stand in the shower for a while?

[Corbs]

Sorry, must have been confusing, I put the can under the hot tap and then run off for 30 seconds, then return to the can and hold it under my armpit to warm it up.

[MrWolf]

I did once manage to convince someone that I had defrosted a packet of steak by sliding it under the dog whilst he was asleep.

I told him that I knew when it was defrosted because the dog could then smell it and got up to search his bed for the steaky smell...

 

[Regularity]

7 hours ago, MrWolf said:

I did once manage to convince someone that I had defrosted a packet of steak by sliding it under the dog whilst he was asleep.

I told him that I knew when it was defrosted because the dog could then smell it and got up to search his bed for the steaky smell...

 

When asked to prove this, did you say that the dog had eaten the evidence?

[Martin S-C]

Along with your homework?

[MrWolf]

7 hours ago, Regularity said:

When asked to prove this, did you say that the dog had eaten the evidence?

 

I actually felt rather guilty that he'd fallen for it.

[Regularity]

1 hour ago, MrWolf said:

 

I actually felt rather guilty that he'd fallen for it.

Swallowed it whole, you might say?

[Compound2632]

It would be a mistake, make no bones about it.

[MrWolf]

Hook, line and polythene vacuum pack....

[Martin S-C]

Sir! Be advised this is a pre-grouping thread. What is this magic polythene of which you speak? Canvas sheeting of a very fine weave perchance?