Nether Madder and Green Soudley Rly

[Martin S-C]

3 hours ago, Regularity said:

It’ll all be over by then...

I bluddy well hope so!

[Regularity]

2 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

I bluddy well hope so!

I didn’t say which Christmas, but I believe the one in question was in 1914...

[Martin S-C]

Its not going to be done by over 100 years ago, no. Not even I can work that fast.

[Martin S-C]

The Duke of Wellington is famously quoted on the evening of his victory of Waterloo as saying:

"There is nothing so melancholy as a battle lost, as a model railway that lacks sufficient coal wagons."

[Compound2632]

Or as Napoleon didn't say, un chemin de fer miniature circule sur ses wagons de minéraux. 

 

(Also not said by Frederick the Great and certainly not by Claudius Galen.)

[Regularity]

"It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a layout in possession of a good track layout, must be in want of coal wagons."

- Jayne Austin-Morris

 

[Nearholmer]

3 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

The Duke of Wellington is famously quoted on the evening of his victory of Waterloo as saying:

 

That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard.

[Nick C]

2 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

 

That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard.

No, but it did have a coal fired power station, an M7 famously came to grief there after falling down the goods lift to the W&C...

[Compound2632]

5 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

That quotation can't be right, because Waterloo has only ever been a passenger station; it has never had a coal yard.

 

He was thinking of Aberdeen Waterloo goods station, from which sea coal was distributed throughout NE Scotland.

Edited May 20, 2021 by Compound2632

[Martin S-C]

4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

He was thinking of Aberdeen Waterloo goods station, from which sea coal was distributed throughout NE Scotland.

...and I forget what famous victory he scored had there.

[Nearholmer]

18 minutes ago, Nick C said:

No, but it did have a coal fired power station, an M7 famously came to grief there after falling down the goods lift to the W&C...

 

It did, I've been in where it isn't any more many times, and helped oversee a project to convert it into a substation, and, many years before, participated in the operation of the Armstrong Lift.

[Martin S-C]

12 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

 

participated in the operation of the Armstrong Lift.

Was that the cab ride arranged for George William Lord Armstrong, on his return journey to Cragside?

[Nearholmer]

If only.

 

One of the sins that I feel the need to work-off is my failure to have visited Cragside, it being a sort of votive site for people who are interested in the history of electrical engineering.

 

Mind you, when I last checked, the NT were busily changing the emphasis of the "offering" at Cragside, gently away from the history of technology  (which, TBH, they still seem to have a cultural hang-up about), in the direction of art (which, TBH, I still seem to have a cultural hang-up about).

 

Anyway, covid will presumably back-off far enough at some point to make a trip feasible.

[Compound2632]

51 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

One of the sins that I feel the need to work-off is my failure to have visited Cragside, it being a sort of votive site for people who are interested in the history of electrical engineering.

 

Mind you, when I last checked, the NT were busily changing the emphasis of the "offering" at Cragside, gently away from the history of technology  (which, TBH, they still seem to have a cultural hang-up about), in the direction of art (which, TBH, I still seem to have a cultural hang-up about).

 

It was the grounds I enjoyed most! 

[Martin S-C]

It was the interiors I enjoyed most. I'm a sucker for a good dose of the Gothic with lashings of dark wood panelling thrown in. It really is a splendid place. Its been a couple of decades since I went but there was a goodly amount of signage and notice boards about the technology there back then.

[Martin S-C]

End door hinges, hinge guides and strengtheners replaced, some interior ironwork added and painted, interiors painted and weathered. Now just the exteriors to do. Trying some variations of interior wood colour on these as well, e.g. very grey top left and yellowish/newish bottom right.

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by Martin S-C

[Martin S-C]

Finished. Just a very simple quick job on these with most being fairly clean or with light wear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Martin S-C

[Caley Jim]

I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'!

 

Jim

[Martin S-C]

One presumes the hay wasn't carried by rail!

[Annie]

33 minutes ago, Caley Jim said:

I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'!

 

Jim

I was thinking the same thing Jim.

 

26 minutes ago, Martin S-C said:

One presumes the hay wasn't carried by rail!

I know it was done on the GER.  Pile it all up to the limit of the loading gauge and cover it up with three or so well tied down tarpaulins/wagon sheets.

[Martin S-C]

The GWR had provender wagons as well all despatched from their centralised horse feed depot at Didcot. But that was because they were a huge company with all manner of centralisation. I don't see much use for such wagons by a private owner since horse feed can be grown almost anywhere and is cheap to transport locally. My guess is the mention of hay on the wagon is just a bit of canny advertising to show what other goods the company can supply.

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, Caley Jim said:

I have to say that it's the first time I've seen a wagon for a 'Hay & Coal Merchant'!

 

Jim

 In Keith Montague's Gloucester book:

• Coal & Forage Contractor
• Timber, Coal, Culm, Lime and General Merchants
• Coal & Corn Merchant
• Hay, Chaff & Coal Merchant
• Coal, Corn & Lime Merchants
• Coal, Lime & Manure Merchant

... so not that unusual for a coal merchant to have portfolio of commodities he traded in advertised on his wagon, though non-minerals are rarer than the common Coal & Lime.

[Annie]

Most of the GER's goods traffic was agricultural produce Martin so hay was a regular traffic.  I did used to have some photos somewhere of wagons loaded with hay being unloaded at a rural location in GER territory, but I can't find them now. 

[Compound2632]

I should have added my belief that although merchants may have advertised all their activities on the sides of their wagons, the wagons themselves were for the conveyance of coal and coke, or lime if they had specialized lime wagons. Hay would have been conveyed in railway company wagons - as I anticipate @Annie's GE photos would demonstrate.

 

[Caley Jim]

49 minutes ago, Annie said:

I know it was done on the GER.  Pile it all up to the limit of the loading gauge and cover it up with three or so well tied down tarpaulins/wagon sheets.

Done on many companies which had a large amount of agricultural traffic.  Not all farmers were able to grow enough hay to provide sufficient winter feed for their livestock.  It's still the case that hay (and straw) are carried round the country.  There also was (and is) the need for hay and straw for feeding/bedding horses.

 

Jim