Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Could anyone tell me which Class 25/1 & 25/2 were air braked please? I have asked a few people & looked through the Derby Sulzers site, but I'm still no wiser ... so your help would be greatly appreciated Cheers Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 Theres a list of the first 25 withdrawn on this page Phil https://www.derbysulzers.com/class24detail.html But not comprehensive.... IIRC Scottish examples of the early bodyshell 25/2s in the 7568-7596 and the late build 25/3s also come to mind Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Thank you Phil, I'm wondering if I have a excuse for one on the Western Region in the 1970's or early 1980's ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 Thank you Phil, I'm wondering if I have a excuse for one on the Western Region in the 1970's or early 1980's ? There were a small number of 25’s allocated to the WR for your timescale although I am not certain how many had air brakes. In addition there were regular pairs on empty China clays 6V53 if I recall which went at least as far as Bristol. Again I question whether air braked locos were seen. I suggest you buy an old Platform 5 pocket book from EBay which started production in 1979 which will show both the Home Depot and braking capabilities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 There were a small number of 25’s allocated to the WR for your timescale although I am not certain how many had air brakes. In addition there were regular pairs on empty China clays 6V53 if I recall which went at least as far as Bristol. Again I question whether air braked locos were seen. I suggest you buy an old Platform 5 pocket book from EBay which started production in 1979 which will show both the Home Depot and braking capabilities The Ian Allan ABC volumes also show the braking types, the accompanying loco shed books have the depot allocations and pre-date Platform 5 if its earlier dates you need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimbamoss Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 From my 1979 locoshed, LA was about the only ones I could see but CD could well turn up, as for dual braked Locoshed didn't have that much information. Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 https://www.derbysulzers.com/laira.html 25048 / 25155 both dual braked late 70's allocated to Laira. Both body shell types as well. Regards Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2018 From Ian Allan abc 1979, the following were dual braked 25/1s - 032-7, 044, 048-51, 053,4, 057-60, 064, 076,9 and 082 25/2s - 088,9, 095,7,9, 106,9, 113,7, 120, 145, 154,5, 173,5,8, 181-5, 189, 191,3,4, 196-207, 210-213, 218, 221,2,6, 228-247 except 238 Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 You might find the individual loco histories on Derby Sulzer of interest Phil https://www.derbysulzers.com/Pic.html Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 Don't remember any airbraked ones at Canton in the 70s, which was rubbing the salt into the wound a bit because we had them to replace Hymeks, much better engines in every possible respect and nicer to work aboard, because air brakes could not be fitted to Hymeks. So vacuum braked locos were replaced as a matter of policy with less powerful and worse in every way vacuum braked locos. Anyone who has had their spine shortened by a couple of inches on an hour run from Cardiff to Gloucester at 90mph with the Peterborough Parcels will know what I'm talking about, and you were deafened and frozen in the draught as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) https://www.derbysulzers.com/laira.html 25048 / 25155 both dual braked late 70's allocated to Laira. Both body shell types as well. Regards Guy 25 155 arrived at Laira in 1977, the first dual-braked allocation. In 1978 several more dual-braked locos were allocated 25 048/057/058/206/207. By Nov 1980, all 25s had departed the west country. I'm wondering if I have a excuse for one on the Western Region in the 1970's or early 1980's ? In earlier years there was also 25 032/154/155 at Ebbw Jct and Cardiff, dual-braked from 1974/75. None of the Bristol allocation were dual-braked. Edited September 10, 2018 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) The point being that there was no need for air braked freight locos in the West Country until the early '80s as there were no dedicated ABN services. Any air braked wagons would have been placed behind vacuum braked wagons in a freight train and a guards van put on the back. Edited September 11, 2018 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted September 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2018 I think some of the services into Exeter Riverside used air-braked wagons in the 70s. This purports to be 1975 but I'm doubtful. Cowley Bridge Junction, Exeter by davelindsell, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I think some of the services into Exeter Riverside used air-braked wagons in the 70s. This purports to be 1975 but I'm doubtful. Cowley Bridge Junction, Exeter by davelindsell, on Flickr And with reason. The first wagon is of a type introduce in 1978, or thereabout, The second arrived in the early 1980s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 Thank you everyone for your contributions & my research is ongoing, thanks to your pointers I have come up with the following candidates & I am looking for more...... 25032 dual braked in 1974, allocated to Cardiff in May 1974 25048 dual braked in 1975, allocated to Laira 1978 25057 dual braked in 1974, allocated to Laira 1978 25058 dual braked in 1974, allocated to Laira 1978 25032 probably is my favorite at the moment as it would run alongside my Hydraulics circa 74 to 77 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 BTW this is the loco body that will assume a BR(WR) identity ...... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 Nice one Phil Bit of work to do on those hinged grilles then... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Nice one Phil Bit of work to do on those hinged grilles then... Phil No Phil, as 25032 has the hinges https://www.derbysulzers.com/5182.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hmmm hows about https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5759093751_21402978dc_b.jpg Hee hee another diesel dilemma! Was it a one side only mod? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Hmmm hows about https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5759093751_21402978dc_b.jpg Hee hee another diesel dilemma! Was it a one side only mod? Phil It was only one side, as the additional air reservoirs that prevent access to air filters where only fitted at one side. also an additional access panel was fitted to the body side at no1 end. Edited September 16, 2018 by 45125 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 Ah It was only one side, as the additional air reservoirs that prevent access to air filters where only fitted at one side. also an additional access panel was fitted to the body side at no1 end. Ah cheers! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Hmmm hows about https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5759093751_21402978dc_b.jpg Hee hee another diesel dilemma! Was it a one side only mod? Phil It was only one side, as the additional air reservoirs that prevent access to air filters where only fitted at one side. also an additional access panel was fitted to the body side at no1 end. As "45125" said. The hinges and additional triangular panel were only one side on the dual brake ones. Also don't forget that 25032 was one of the four that didn't have boilers and water tanks when built, but only that one out of 25029-32 received dual brakes. The other oddity of the same shape was 25242 which subsequently lost it's boiler and water tanks. I did hear once that it was partly to do with dual braking, that as D7592 the air brake equipment was to be put in the boiler room. Not sure if "45125" can confirm this. Edited September 19, 2018 by Covkid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 Thank you Covkid, I had niticed on prototype pics the lack of water tanks & thank you for the additional information it is much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted September 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2018 I think some of the services into Exeter Riverside used air-braked wagons in the 70s. This purports to be 1975 but I'm doubtful. Cowley Bridge Junction, Exeter by davelindsell, on Flickr And with reason. The first wagon is of a type introduce in 1978, or thereabout, The second arrived in the early 1980s. But there seems to be a working headcode, which suggests 1976 or earlier. And as said, 25s had gone by 1980. An intriguing picture to see anyway as I have an interest in the services in the Barnstaple line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted September 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2018 The point being that there was no need for air braked freight locos in the West Country until the early '80s as there were no dedicated ABN services. Any air braked wagons would have been placed behind vacuum braked wagons in a freight train and a guards van put on the back. Sorry, backtracking a bit: does anyone have any idea what hauled the UKF fertilizer trains to Lapford when first introduced? They were air braked, I know 47s handled the main line run to Truro and 31s took over on the Barnstaple line after 25s left, but is there any evidence of air braked 25s working that Lapford service? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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