Jriley224 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Hi all, I'm trying to make a full rake of mk3 coaches up with a loco just wondered if anyone's got good reference photos and upgrades they could share! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
44690 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I think it might be an idea to advise what region, type of working and period you are trying to replicate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jriley224 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 Intercity about the mid 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono26 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Do you already have Mk3's and looking to modify these? if not for loco hauled stock you need mk3a coaches. Currently only Oxford rail make these but I would advise you to read the forum thread on these before purchasing as they have some dimensional and colour match errors, they are still very good on detail but you need to be aware of this to make a decision. Alternatively Jouef made a very good Mk3a model way way back which is an excellent base for upgrading with a little bit of modelling effort. This was my preferred route for a push pull rake of 80's Scotrail mk3a's and I am pleased with the way they turned out. If you are not too fussed about being 100% accurate you could use the Hornby and Lima Mk3 which is an HST trailer/coach but in both cases incorrectly fitted with buffers which suits the Mk3a loco hauled type - there is plenty of information on these in the forum. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jriley224 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 Thanks I have Hornby/Lima mk3s hoping that I can get bufers and pipework and get them looking close as possible to realistic! I could do with some reference pictures or is they're any publications available that can give a good reference! Is there any specific locos during intercity grey red and black that mk3s ran with I suspect class87s but could anyone give any idea on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 47's on the Highland line maybe and 47's on the North Welsh coast too I think, though the memory may not be so good. I can't think of any books. Maybe get a Jouef mk3 and change the roof of the Lima/Hornby mk3 to suit. There are some roe/vac vents from shapeways or the cheap alternative from Southern Pride but these are too narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono26 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 For the Hornby/Lima Mk3 HST coaches leave the buffers on if you want to represent the Mk3a loco hauled coach. The under frame modules are also different but not that noticeable to worry about. The only other obvious difference is the roof vent arrangement, see picture, upper is the Hornby HST Mk3 and the lower the Jouef Mk3a but there are some exceptions to the rule. Check google image search for prototype pictures there are a lot available online. Depending on what couplings you will be using you can add ETH sockets and ladders at the coach ends, I made ETH sockets from plasticard which are approximate size but look the part and ladders from plastruct N gauge ladders. Picture below has a missing cable from the socket on the righthand picture coach end but this gives an idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jriley224 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 For the Hornby/Lima Mk3 HST coaches leave the buffers on if you want to represent the Mk3a loco hauled coach. The under frame modules are also different but not that noticeable to worry about. The only other obvious difference is the roof vent arrangement, see picture, upper is the Hornby HST Mk3 and the lower the Jouef Mk3a but there are some exceptions to the rule. Check google image search for prototype pictures there are a lot available online. Roof comparison.jpg Depending on what couplings you will be using you can add ETH sockets and ladders at the coach ends, I made ETH sockets from plasticard which are approximate size but look the part and ladders from plastruct N gauge ladders. Picture below has a missing cable from the socket on the righthand picture coach end but this gives an idea. Detailing.jpg Thanks for the advice, seemingly my mk3s have no buffers and I think new bogies are needed do you have any ideas where I can find buffer kits and bogies from! Also is there s place I can get the brake discs on the wheel sets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Stenson models for the brake discs. There are two sizes though depending on your wheel size (Lima or Hornby) They are happy to answer your questions. You could get oval buffer heads from Replica and make the rest from styrene rod/tube or maybe the whole things from MJT models or try googling the buffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono26 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 To add to Andrews post Discs from Stenson models CC07W - super glued into the Hornby R8096 wheels, assuming your Hornby coaches are current then these discs fit the wheels. Because I used old Jouef coaches the wheels need replacing so I used new Hornby R8096 12mm wheels. Beware that the axle length on the Lima coaches is shorter than the newer Hornbys so you could choose Alan Gibson 12mm wheels with discs pre-fitted fitted on an axle for Lima Mk3 BT10 bogies. Alternatively you can open up the bearing pocket in the Lima bogie with a bearing reamer tool from DCC concepts so you can fit newer Hornby wheels. If you do a search online for Mk3a BT10 bogies you will see there is a difference in the wheel slip detection gear fitted to the right hand bogie - a box and some pipe work, so you could also consider adding this extra detail. If you need extra bogies these are not available separately from manufacturers so its ebay or also try Peters Spares. Both Hornby and Lima HST Mk3 come with buffers so I suspect someone cut them off the ones you have. As Andrew recommends I also used MJT buffers from Dart castings, the retracted type. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jriley224 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Great thanks for the advice I've just ordered a set of retracted buffers, two of my coaches are in br blue, I'm sure I've seen BR blue coaches with intercity white branding on where they run with the black grey and red intercity livery? If so is there any pictures about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono26 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 try this, mainly blue/grey with the 3rd and 4th to last Mk3a coaches in intercity exec livery, not sure about the very last coach, might be a Mk2 http://www.hondawanderer.com/87008_Basford_Hall_Junction_1985.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jriley224 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Fantastic shot! That's great!! Super, it's giving me some ideas, fantastic shot for weathering!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspectorsands Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 try this, mainly blue/grey with the 3rd and 4th to last Mk3a coaches in intercity exec livery, not sure about the very last coach, might be a Mk2 http://www.hondawanderer.com/87008_Basford_Hall_Junction_1985.htm Last coach could possibly be a MK1 BG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegr Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Reference wise these photos by Steve Jones on Flickr might help. https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/albums/72157625197320866 You do have to scroll down a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Apologies if I already missed where someone addressed this but can anyone tell me what buffers I could use to upgrade / replace damaged buffers on Mainline / Airfix / Dapol / Hornby Mk2D, or MK2E/Fs..... I have searched the web and found these Markits ones but I don't know if they would be suitable or if they are for other types like MK1s...they look too skinny and long to me. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
44690 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Last coach could possibly be a MK1 BG IIRC Inspector Sands is correct. No Mk 3 brake coaches so on the LMR a MK1 BG was used. I'm not sure what bogies they ran on though. I might trawl through some of my old pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 BGs used with Mk3 were usually B4 fitted with extra maintenance required to permit them to run at 110mph. As for wheels to replace Lima undersized ones with the shorter axle, peters spares do replacements with the shorter axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2018 I know this is slightly OT but I’ve got several Hornby HST Mk III’s and I wanted to put close couplings on but surprised to see they don’t have NEM pockets but the couplings are easily to pull out and replace. I have Hornby’s close couplings but they don’t fit so are any others available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2018 IIRC Inspector Sands is correct. No Mk 3 brake coaches so on the LMR a MK1 BG was used. I'm not sure what bogies they ran on though. I might trawl through some of my old pictures. They were usually B4’s with special maintenance so certain ones can run at 110mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2018 Blue Grey HST is slightly different to loco hauled blue grey Wider top blue band Lower white line level with top of hand rails, 3a slightly lower. MJT retracted buffers fine for Mark 1 & 2, my Mark 3s have none 3A have Jouef supplied still 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1056WesternSultan Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 29/11/2018 at 20:19, jools1959 said: I know this is slightly OT but I’ve got several Hornby HST Mk III’s and I wanted to put close couplings on but surprised to see they don’t have NEM pockets but the couplings are easily to pull out and replace. I have Hornby’s close couplings but they don’t fit so are any others available? You could try the new Hunt Couplings Elite buckeye for clips They give very close coupling an dare rigid so the coaches don't rattle about. https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/hunt-couplings-new-c-2/hunt-couplings-buckeye-elite-oo-gauge-new-c-28/hunt-couplings-elite-buckeye-pack-for-hst-set-with-clip-couplings-oo-gauge-p-134 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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