peach james Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Any ideas? I believe the image is taken in Buckley, or thereabouts, and probably pre WW1. The engine is a semi-portable, and at least one of the gentlemen is a relative of mine. So, the guess is that the wagon is a GWR wagon. James Powell Edited June 2, 2019 by peach james b to g on guess... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I couldn't find anything quite like it in Tourret, Atkins etc. The oddest thing is the relationship between the (coach?) bogie on the right and what looks like the wagon frame. It looks as though the frame is below the axleguard and springs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The wagon would probably be 'native' to wherever the engine was built .......... I think the NBR had some with 'straight' frames 'below' the bogie ( which might suggest Glasgow ) - but without Mr.Taplow's bible in front of me can't be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The wagon in question is a GCR Flattrol V built 1903. 40T load, 58' x 7'6". There is a half drawing in LNER Wagons Vol 1 by Peter Tatlow. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Sorry, Mr.Tatlow ................... Taplow IS Great western ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I would say the load is a loco boiler. The hole in the chimney is not what I have seen on semi portable. I believe there is usually a chimney base casting fitted to the smoke box. This would either provide a hinge for a folding chimney or a base for a suitable diameter piece of tube of the required length to act as a chimney. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, billbedford said: The wagon in question is a GCR Flattrol V built 1903. 40T load, 58' x 7'6". There is a half drawing in LNER Wagons Vol 1 by Peter Tatlow. Makes sense seeing as the GCR had quite a foothold in the area mainly due to the Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrexham,_Mold_and_Connah's_Quay_Railway Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Gordon A said: I would say the load is a loco boiler. The hole in the chimney is not what I have seen on semi portable. I believe there is usually a chimney base casting fitted to the smoke box. This would either provide a hinge for a folding chimney or a base for a suitable diameter piece of tube of the required length to act as a chimney. Gordon A The smokebox door looks rather un-railway-like and there seems to be a side-feed pipe up from some sort of baseplate that doesn't look like loco frames ............ maybe a loco boiler that's be re-purposed for stationary use ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) The load looks very like an undertype stationary engine. This one is a Marshall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-portable_engine This is a Paxman: https://www.paxmanhistory.org.uk/undrtype.htm Richard Edited June 3, 2019 by RLWP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 There is a better view of the engine on the previous slide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I was going to say it's a shame the wrong side is shown for that huge-great manhole ( were they always on that side ? ) ...... but the apparent absence of washout plugs / hand holes might suggest it's there. Moreover, the safety valve lever is well out of reach of any possible locomotive cab - unless the W.M.& C.Q. had a secret camelback ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 Thank you all, it is helpful in a general sense. As you can imagine, the prints are in my dad's stuff, and he knows that one of the men is a relative, and was a Boilermaker living in Buckley. Not which one...and everyone who could have answered that question is dead. We are left with trying to figure out who is who by the clues, and knowing that the photo is >1903 is helpful. Knowing that it is on a GCR wagon is probably less helpful, but may help in some odd way. We'd looked at the engine, and think it is a Marshall, but can't be sure. Since dad builds them, and I wear them out, that probably means it's a dead end from the details. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Marshall's works was in Gainsborough, so they almost certainly used the GCR to deliver their products. There are engravings of Marshall's stationary engines in Graces Guide which look remarkably like the one in your photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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