RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2019 Obtained as built from eBay - quite nicely built in fact. Power was from a Tenshodo motor bogie. This has been removed and replaced with a Bachmann DMU motor (DCC fitted) with the motor bogie modified to take the kit bogie side frames. The cab and coach interiors have been cleaned up and painted. Cheers Darius 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Very nice indeed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 A great buy. It looks pretty good as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 hours ago, SRman said: A great buy. It looks pretty good as it is. Agreed. It is very nicely built but the interior was unpainted and the underpowered Tenshodo spud needed to be replaced. The BR arrows are a tad oversized so will, be removed and replaced. The underframe equipment boxes are the etched ones from DC kits and are a bit one dimensional so these will be bulked out using plasticard. A nice weekend project. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2019 Sone more progress - cab re-assembled and window bars painted white (using a cocktail stick). Needs handrails, BR arrow decals and passengers. There is a centre coach - it’s awaiting the painting of its interior and the window bars. Cheers Darius 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2019 Cab and driver’s door handrails added. BR arrow decals placed. Cheers Darius 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I really like the weathering on the front end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2019 A few more details added, plus some passengers. Cheers Darius 5 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Had similar tenshodo issues on a underground train im building with just one tenshodo and pickups on the non powered bogie, however 2 tenshodos wired up together with on of the cheap Bachmann 8 pin chips works a treat in my other tube trains, suprised me how well they run when paired up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Nice model but the shoebeams are all wrong. Sorry. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiLo Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Absolutely lovely model, I remember seeing them as a kid when I was visiting relatives on London One thing that stuck in my mind was the step boards for the doors, rather than a full length plank, it seemed to be individual boards for each door, In my kids mind it looked like a saw edge! Would be a nice feature to model, are you planning to do that at some point? (I do realise you bought it assembled) 27 minutes ago, dasatcopthorne said: Nice model but the shoebeams are all wrong. Sorry. Dave. I wouldn't go as far as saying they are all wrong, but do seem to be fitted upside down, hopefully easy to take off and refit the other way round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) The 501s were fitted with a very different shoebeam than the southern type. Probably to do with having Tripcock apparatus. Dave. Edited June 23, 2019 by dasatcopthorne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) The shoebeam fitting on the 501s was by a bracket fitted just above the axlebox. The type on the model is fitted to the 4 bolts on the front of the roller bearing type axlebox. Also the 'dips' at the ends are much shallower and shorter. Dave. Edited June 23, 2019 by dasatcopthorne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Any other criticisms while you are at it? Perhaps you would like to check the door gaps are all within 0,003mm to ensure they are accurate. Some of us are impressed the way he has saved and improved a damaged model! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Nice model you've got there. Love all the North Western electrics. Couple of pictures of mine. 501 converted for Bachmann 2EPB. Also with 3D printed Oerlikon. 3 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, JiLo said: Absolutely lovely model, I remember seeing them as a kid when I was visiting relatives on London One thing that stuck in my mind was the step boards for the doors, rather than a full length plank, it seemed to be individual boards for each door, In my kids mind it looked like a saw edge! Would be a nice feature to model, are you planning to do that at some point? (I do realise you bought it assembled) I wouldn't go as far as saying they are all wrong, but do seem to be fitted upside down, hopefully easy to take off and refit the other way round Hi Jilo Depending on what time frame one models a Class 501 if they have continuous foot boards or individual one to each door. In green livery and early blue the foot boards were continuous, up to about the same time as the change from 4 rail to 3 rail then they were individual. Checked by looking through "History of the North London Railway, Vol 1, London's North Western Electrics". Atkinson, Adams and Clarke, ISBN 978-0-9932219-0-3, a lovely and informative book. A similar change happened on the ER Mk1 25 KVa units, early career one long foot board. In the 70s they too had a separate step to each door. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, JiLo said: Absolutely lovely model, I remember seeing them as a kid when I was visiting relatives on London One thing that stuck in my mind was the step boards for the doors, rather than a full length plank, it seemed to be individual boards for each door, In my kids mind it looked like a saw edge! Would be a nice feature to model, are you planning to do that at some point? (I do realise you bought it assembled) I wouldn't go as far as saying they are all wrong, but do seem to be fitted upside down, hopefully easy to take off and refit the other way round Hi JiLo, I did look at various pictures on Google images and noticed that many units had separate rather than continuous step boards. There were a few pictures that did show continuous step boards so, as this was a refurb job, this worked for me. The AM5 EMU that I am now building also has continuous step boards (in the kit) whereas most units had separate ones. I will go with the separate boards with the AM5. I may get around to replacing the shoe beams one the AM5 is done. I have to admit that “dasatcopthorne” could have made his point in a more constructive manner so I am not really motivated to pay much heed to what he posts. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, terry.ecmr said: Nice model you've got there. Love all the North Western electrics. Couple of pictures of mine. 501 converted for Bachmann 2EPB. Also with 3D printed Oerlikon. Hi Terry, Great models. Earl’s Court is a favourite of mine and I have seen it a few times at shows. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kier Hardy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) Hi Darius, That's a great looking Class 501, and a lovely refurb' job you've done there. I have built a couple of Class 501s myself using the Bachmann 2-EPB. There are all sorts of pitfalls regarding the modelling of these units, and after studying as many images of them as possible, I also came to the conclusion that a circa 1970 unit would have full length footboards and not individual ones at each bay. There are instances where some units had a mix of both footboard styles. The driving motor utilises the heavy duty bogie, so technically converting from a Bachmann 2-EPB isn't as simple as one would first think. I've used the bogie frames from a 4-CEP driving motor, and once you study the real thing, you will notice how much of a difference there was between the bogie styles..... but of course this is just finishing detail, and if you can't find any heavy duty bogie frames, I'm sure 99% of the population wouldn't notice a difference. Nice pics and description of your project, and certainly brought a smile to my face. Here's a pic of mine BTW. Edited June 23, 2019 by Kier Hardy Mix up between CEP & EPB 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kier Hardy said: Hi Darius, That's a great looking Class 501, and a lovely refurb' job you've done there. I have built a couple of Class 501s myself using the Bachmann 2-EPB. There are all sorts of pitfalls regarding the modelling of these units, and after studying as many images of them as possible, I also came to the conclusion that a circa 1970 unit would have full length footboards and not individual ones at each bay. There are instances where some units had a mix of both footboard styles. The driving motor utilises the heavy duty bogie, so technically converting from a Bachmann 2-EPB isn't as simple as one would first think. I've used the bogie frames from a 4-EPB driving motor, and once you study the real thing, you will notice how much of a difference there was between the bogie styles..... but of course this is just finishing detail, and if you can't find any heavy duty bogie frames, I'm sure 99% of the population wouldn't notice a difference. Nice pics and description of your project, and certainly brought a smile to my face. Here's a pic of mine BTW. Thanks Kier, Great model and a superb layout. It’s a big inspiration to the layout that a friend and I are building in his garden shed - currently at the carpentry stage. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kier Hardy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I meant to say 4-CEP bogies, doh! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiLo Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Thanks for the historical info guys, always interesting to know. It was in the early 80's I saw these units, I'm not sure if I ever saw any with continuous footboards, although in saying that, I wouldn't have been looking - just thought they were 'foreign' as I was used to 303/311's! Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2019 Hi Darius and Kier Now bogies have been mentioned the 501s, Hastings DEMUs,and AM7 trailers rode on BR Mk2 bogies and roller bearings. Photo from Flickr by Jim Groom 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Kier Hardy said: I meant to say 4-CEP bogies, doh! There’s irony for you - the bogie I chopped the side frames off so as to affix the kit side frames was an ex 4-CEP bogie. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 14 hours ago, royaloak said: Any other criticisms while you are at it? Perhaps you would like to check the door gaps are all within 0,003mm to ensure they are accurate. Some of us are impressed the way he has saved and improved a damaged model! Oh Dear. One thing pointed out and you find you need to make comments like this. Very sad. Don't worry though. I won't try to help again. See ya. Dave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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