Imaginary Locomotives

[Corbs]

I liked Dave's adaptation of the Bulleid 2-8-0 into a 2-10-0 and made another.

 

This time I used the boiler from the austerity pacific (larger smokebox) which was the right length to fit the rear driving wheels in, and took the flange off the centre drivers. The 2-10-0 also uses the same bogie tender and cab as the pacific.

 

 

Food for thought: Q1 wheels and 9F wheels are not too far off size-wise.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Corbs

[Northroader]

Maybe two cylinder with outside walschaerts?

[Niels]

According to mr Giesel who made locomotives for a living,two sixcoupled groups be they Garrat or Mallet are less efficient adhesion-vise than a normal ten coupled.

Dare I say that an inside cylinder ten coupler with flanges on all wheels is up til now the most logical UK locomotive that was never built.

And it could have run everywhere within shrinking loading gauges and used less coal..

The very nice Bulleid Southern 2-10-0 can just get inside some places today but will have to be three-cylindered I think.

[Niels]

Oh, yes I think I know what you mean.

 

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Mr Bulleid had maybe made his Atlantic more like the Belgian Class 12

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RaZmbs2Uf8o/T58Rtce2r4I/AAAAAAAAMoY/r8ikKCrfBs4/s1600/SNCB+12.jpg

 

Inside cylinders by the way.

 

https://www.altaplana.be/_media/photos/la-douce/884479_263495363787090_349091688_o.jpg?w=1024&h=682&tok=df06f7

Edited September 18, 2017 by Niels

[Budgie]

The combination of inside cylinders and outside valve gear on that Belgian loco looks odd.

[Compound2632]

The combination of inside cylinders and outside valve gear on that Belgian loco looks odd.

 

Crewe got there first.

[Budgie]

Crewe got there first.

And that looks odd too.

[Niels]

Crewe got there first.

Italian and very good 1904

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_600

[Compound2632]

Italian and very good 1904

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_600

 

A compound too! Didn't some of T.W. Worsdell's two-cylinder compounds have steam chests and piston valves outside the frames, albeit worked from inside Joy gear? The Class J 4-2-2s and M 4-4-0s? All the moving parts decently tucked away out of sight though!

[PhilJ W]

Not sure what the Great Eastern and Central railway's livery would be in the 1950s had grouping and nationalisation not occurred, but here is how the heavy freight loco for the Liverpool/Whitemoor/Temple Mills freights might have looked after nationalisation but without the grouping...

 

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That would perhaps work better as a triple articulated with four wheel bogies (Bo-Bo-Bo-Bo) and just two pantographs on the centre section.

[Zomboid]

You could make the Q1 into a 2-8-2 (or possibly a 2-8-4), give it the bogie tender and it wouldn't look in any way odd with a headlight, bell and "Union Pacific" on the tender (proper roadnames are also available).

[Corbs]

 

The County Gate Malletts 'River Avon' and 'River Brue' (built by John De Frayssinet) are to my mind some of the best British Malletts, using enough of the style of the original L&B locos to make them blend in with the rest of the fleet, and enough of the true Mallett styling to make them articulate and work properly.

 

 

 

[PhilJ W]

 

The County Gate Malletts 'River Avon' and 'River Brue' (built by John De Frayssinet) are to my mind some of the best British Malletts, using enough of the style of the original L&B locos to make them blend in with the rest of the fleet, and enough of the true Mallett styling to make them articulate and work properly.

 

 

There was a similar locomotive operated on the Bowaters paper mill railway at Sittingbourne. IIRC it is now on the Welshpool and llanfair.

[Northroader]

Crewe got there first.

C.F.de l'Ouest 1863:

[Suzie]

That would perhaps work better as a triple articulated with four wheel bogies (Bo-Bo-Bo-Bo) and just two pantographs on the centre section.

 

Not so sure about that, but perhaps nine axles and a sliding centre bogie?

 

 

or a proper C0 C0 C0 articulated?

 

 

I think I like it with pantographs at the cab ends. 1500V DC don't forget - would just two pantographs be sufficient?

[Ramblin Rich]

There was a similar locomotive operated on the Bowaters paper mill railway at Sittingbourne. IIRC it is now on the Welshpool and llanfair.

That's "Monarch" which according to Wikipedia is a 'modified Meyer'

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_(locomotive)

 

Not sure how it's classed as modified but both sets of cylinders are at the inner ends of the coupled wheel sets.

[Corbs]

That's "Monarch" which according to Wikipedia is a 'modified Meyer'

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_(locomotive)

 

Not sure how it's classed as modified but both sets of cylinders are at the inner ends of the coupled wheel sets.

 

The Modified Meyer uses a circular firebox that does not project below the footplate, apparently this made 'Monarch' hard to get used to.

[DavidB-AU]

I'd have pictured something more like an Algerian BT but with Bulleid streamlining.

 

Cheers

David

[Corbs]

Yes, and much smaller in stature. I don't really like non-garratt garratts as they never look right.

 

Perhaps slightly more realistic (!) I should really get around to finishing this one....

[DavidB-AU]

Quick and dirty but this is how I would have seen it. Double Pacific with dual controls.

 

 

Cheers

David

[rockershovel]

That's "Monarch" which according to Wikipedia is a 'modified Meyer'https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_(locomotive)

Not sure how it's classed as modified but both sets of cylinders are at the inner ends of the coupled wheel sets.

Surely Monarch is an 0-4-4-0 (because both wheelsets are connected to a single structure) whereas a Garratt is 0-4-0+0-4-0 because the bogies are fully independent of each other? IIRC a Fairlie is classed 0-4-4-0 for the same reason?

 

The position of the cylinders is irrelevant. The Pennsylvania duplexes illustrate the point. Various Meyers and Meyer-Kitsons have cylinders in front, behind or in any combination.

[DavidB-AU]

Speaking of Garratts, two plans put to the GWR in 1931.

 

 

 

Cheers

David

[John M Upton]

There is a rather nice double ended HST power car in British Railways black with silver stripes in the new issue of Model Rail mag.

[LNWR18901910]

Yes, and much smaller in stature. I don't really like non-garratt garratts as they never look right.

 

Perhaps slightly more realistic (!) I should really get around to finishing this one....

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That's some model, that! Does it run?

I have some good news: my LNWR Mogul is taking shape and should be nearly done and ready for repainting! Expect to see some pictures, soon.

[Corbs]

That's some model, that! Does it run?

I have some good news: my LNWR Mogul is taking shape and should be nearly done and ready for repainting! Expect to see some pictures, soon.

Not at the moment, the cylinders are only stuck on with black tack! I need to make up some proper mounts and sort out that expansion link.