What's on your 3mm workbench

[TT-Pete]

1 hour ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Ahh, one of the last few Lincoln Oaks class 07's

 

The last 07 according to Geoff, master salesman that he is... ;^) not that I needed any persuading, I've had a soft spot of 07's since seeing one at the Eastleigh 100 open day back in 2009

 

1 hour ago, TT100 Diesels said:

I will look forward to seeing this progress to completion on here....... (No pressure !).

 

Ah, you may have to wait a bit as it joins the bottom of a very, very long list of "to do" projects, retirement/part-time is a handful of years away, so I'm stockpiling now in anticipation. (well, I say that but I've actually been stockpiling since the age of about 30!)

 

1 hour ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Hope West Byfleet went well yesterday,

 

Not bad thanks, apart from the 07 also got some power bogie kits for a Smetham resin Hymek and my scratchbuilt class 15 (the Mike Chinery power bogies I used are duff), a part-built etched brass coach (nicely done but no bogies), a dozen empty Tri-ang loco boxes for putting stuff in, various scratchbuilt LED yard and platform lights going cheap as a job lot (require repairs), a couple of Tri-ang wagons with metal wheelsets and nicely weathered (which is rare as people tend to daub them) and some card LNWR coach sides - so the usual eclectic mix!

 

The one thing I didn't find that I really wanted were some cast resin concrete type platform edging and ramps:

 

3SMR used to sell them but the guy who used to make them has gone out of business, so no more.

 

I only need 4 sections and 1 ramp to finish my station platforms, has anyone got any suggestions for either casting more or perhaps 3D printing them?

 

Cheers,

Peter.

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi Pete,

 

West Byfleet sounded good with a lot of various stuff added to your stash !

 

Re the platform edges, I would suggest resin casting, but having never done any, I can't actually help with the technicalities. If its just the 4 sections, I would probably bite the bullet and scratch build from plasticard.

 

Sorry, not that much help I suspect.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi,

 

Just a modest move forward with the 08 project. The bodyshell is in the paint shop.

 

 

Its early days yet, primer on. Yellow ends livery built up with about 6 coats of thinned humbrol acrylic front end yellow. Underframe has had 2 coats of thinned matt black acrylic, then  2 coats of thinned Railmatch weathered black acrylic.

 

The separate radiator item finished as per yellow ends.

 

 

Opposite end. Also black on top of the radiator, but need to double check how the chevron decals will be placed, as its all black after the last (top) bit of yellow on the radiator sides. 

 

Not quite blue yet, but it is coming on.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

 

 

[bradfordbuffer]

2 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Hi,

 

Just a modest move forward with the 08 project. The bodyshell is in the paint shop.

 

 

Its early days yet, primer on. Yellow ends livery built up with about 6 coats of thinned humbrol acrylic front end yellow. Underframe has had 2 coats of thinned matt black acrylic, then  2 coats of thinned Railmatch weathered black acrylic.

 

The separate radiator item finished as per yellow ends.

 

 

Opposite end. Also black on top of the radiator, but need to double check how the chevron decals will be placed, as its all black after the last (top) bit of yellow on the radiator sides. 

 

Not quite blue yet, but it is coming on.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

 

 

Bit out of your time line dave? RFS DONCASTER depot shunter!

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi, thanks folks for the interest in my little 08 workbench project.

 

It has moved on from the "RFS"shunter to closer to BR Blue. 

 

 

Still wet, on its 5th thinned down coat of Railmatch 2207 BR Blue acrylic. The depth of colour is finally starting to come through, probably two more coats based on current progress. No masking tape used, just too many awkward detail bits, so trying to be careful at the livery interfaces, but will be a big touch in job.

 

 

Chassis wise, it was straight on with two coats of Precision Frame dirt on wheels, brake gear and outside cranks. As it is enamel it sticks well. The outside cranks have since had a coat of acrylic matt black.

 

So, it is moving on slowly.

 

Thanks for looking in

Edited November 23, 2023 by TT100 Diesels
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[TT100 Diesels]

Hi, 

 

Bit more done on the 08 project, so a quick photo update.

 

 

Chassis connecting rods painted, first coat in yellow enamel which sticks to the brass, then a couple more coats of thinned acrylic yellow.

 

 

Rail blue livery completed, but I want to model a typical really faded example. So I added two thinned down coats of rail blue with some cream and white mixed in. The picture colour does not give a true rendition, it is a bit more of a hint of turquoise which is how it looks to me in pics of real 08 s in faded livery. Its gone on a bit patchy, which is an ideal base for further weathering.

 

 

The radiator grill was temporary placed just for the photo. The cruel close up shows the paint finish warts and all. However, it does look a lot better on the actual model (honest!).

 

 

And for completeness, the cab end view. So far l have not used any masking tape due to the awkward panels, hatches, rivets etc, so quite pleased with progress so far. Still need to finish off the black touch up bits yet and do a final go round with yellow touch in.

 

But I think it is starting to come together a bit more now livery wise. But hope the pre faded / weathered  blue works out, it is a bit if a risk, first time I have tried this technique.

 

That's it for the moment, thanks as always for the interest shown.

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi folks,

 

Been pressing on with the 08 build. Progress as per pics below.

 

 

To further develop the heavily faded blue livery, been adding thinned down washes of cream / white mix. This further accentuates the already faded base livery. Once at the proper weathering stage, it will no doubt go a bit darker again with the typical 08 body side patina of dried up oil stains plus all the spills from the fuel tanks etc.

 

This is the first time the painted body has been the united with the painted chassis.

 

 

Got started on the wasp stripes, cab end is a two pice job, lower one has cut outs for the marker lamp enclosures, a bit of fine touch up will be required. Decided on the top piece to not cut out the cab windows to avoid decal break up on application. So once its all dried properly, it will be a bit of careful sharp blade work to trim off the excess.

 

Did a template for the front end decal, cut it out and it was exact shape but not much meat to it in places and it broke up on application. Hence the deep breath and a slightly different approach on the cab. Can't do the front end till the cab end decals are set, don't want to disturb anything, had enough decals drama for now

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

[bradfordbuffer]

1 hour ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Hi folks,

 

Been pressing on with the 08 build. Progress as per pics below.

 

 

To further develop the heavily faded blue livery, been adding thinned down washes of cream / white mix. This further accentuates the already faded base livery. Once at the proper weathering stage, it will no doubt go a bit darker again with the typical 08 body side patina of dried up oil stains plus all the spills from the fuel tanks etc.

 

This is the first time the painted body has been the united with the painted chassis.

 

 

Got started on the wasp stripes, cab end is a two pice job, lower one has cut outs for the marker lamp enclosures, a bit of fine touch up will be required. Decided on the top piece to not cut out the cab windows to avoid decal break up on application. So once its all dried properly, it will be a bit of careful sharp blade work to trim off the excess.

 

Did a template for the front end decal, cut it out and it was exact shape but not much meat to it in places and it broke up on application. Hence the deep breath and a slightly different approach on the cab. Can't do the front end till the cab end decals are set, don't want to disturb anything, had enough decals drama for now

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

If I Cut your grass and wash windows for a year will you do my 08s?......hope you don't have a big garden!

 

Top draw work Dave.

G

[TT100 Diesels]

Thanks for the kind words BB.

 

Later today, its sharp scalpel time to puncture the decal film over the windscreens, doing a diagonal cross, so I can fold back the 4 resultant triangles and stick them into the window frame and cab with decal fix. I reckon that will make the neatest job, but then when dry, a bit of paint touch up as required to maintain the matt black window frame apertures. Well that is the plan. Wish me luck, never attempted this before !

 

I am coming to realise that the 08 is a really hard loco body to paint and decal up, in total, so far 2 decal sections applied, but 4 used. Scrapped a front end application attempt as discussed above but also, I chucked away my first attempt at the cab top section, it was a nice clean roof profile, but somehow I fouled up on getting the chevrons central, about 0.5mm out, and the chevrons looked awful, so after a lot of offering it up, not happy and into the bin.

 

I have the Lincoln Oaks 03 in my stash, and really not looking forward to attempting that one, so if I am to do your 08s, I am going to move house and buy something with a 6 acre garden.......😁😈.

 

[TT-Pete]

As things are slowing down in the lead-in to Xmas I thought I'd use the time over the next couple of weeks to delve into my embarassingly large "stalled projects" box and have a go at actually finishing something for a change. :^)

 

Apologies that this will drag the thread even further into banger blue diesel territory, but I'm going to start with a pair of Sulzers, the resin 24 has appeared here before, but I also have an etched brass 25 in suspended animation:

 

 

Both of them sit on the excellent Piko "Taurus" chassis that happily doesn't require much surgery to fit under the bodies and whitemetal sideframes can be easily stuck on to the nylon bogie retainer cradles with Araldite.

 

 

 

I've tried a different approach for the couplings this time, again using Araldite to stick Bachmann OO couplings to a plasticard fillet stuck to the leading edge of the retainer cradle.

 

 

It all seems to work ok, I've done a good few test laps, but it remains to be seen how long they last in regular traffic...

 

 

 

Paintshop next stop.

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Nice work TT Pete,

 

Two flavours of baby sulzer, what's not to like, and banger blue diesels get my vote. Having said that, its an open thread, more than happy to see some steamy builds appearing as well.......

 

Kudos on etched brass bodies as well, afraid I am happy to let Lenny do the heavy lifting.

 

Just one thought if you don't mind, you appear to be using the white metal bogie side frames from the 3SMR sulzer kit. The brake linkage at the bottom outer ends is s bit "heavy" to me, I used the same items on my 24 but decided to snip off this linkage. See the photo below for a comparison. I suppose the Rolls-Royce version would be to solder up some from very fine wire. It's just an opinion, but as your still in the works so to speak, I hope you don't mind me mentioning it.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

 

PS - Sorry to hi jack the thread straight back to my stuff.

[TT-Pete]

30 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

more than happy to see some steamy builds appearing as well.......

 

Good, my "stalled projects" are both numerous and varied... :^)

 

31 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Kudos on etched brass bodies as well, afraid I am happy to let Lenny do the heavy lifting.

 

Thanks, yes, 3D printing is very much Next Gen, I am watching your 08 with interest (if not a little envy) as my two 08s are very much both Old Skool, one being an old Tri-ang body on  a Worsley chassis, the other a Worsley body and chassis;

 

 

 

 

Handpainted wasp stripes? Never again!

 

47 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Just one thought if you don't mind, you appear to be using the white metal bogie side frames from the 3SMR sulzer kit. The brake linkage at the bottom outer ends is s bit "heavy" to me, I used the same items on my 24 but decided to snip off this linkage.

 

(Lovely paintjob on the 24 BTW.) Yes, this has also occured to me, plus I still have the sand boxes and cab steps to fit, I dunno, I'll see how it looks when it's all assembled.

 

Cheers,

Peter.

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Nice work Pete,

 

719 looks spot on to me, a great job indeed. And 311, just shows how much a Triang body scrubs up. I see you have removed the moulded ladders at the rad end without destroying all the surrounding detail. 

 

Special mention to say immense work to hand paint the wasp stripes. Amazing patience!

 

And as you hinted, looking forward to seeing your other build stash stuff appearing on here as it progresses through the works (workbench).

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi, another update on the 08 build, been cracking on with the wasp stripes and all the other decals. Need to do some fettling with black touch up associated with the wasp stripes, once everything is properly dried off and set.

 

Overall, happy with decals progress so far, and it has now become 08685, a Derby based loco, which I am trying to copy, faded livery and (yet to do) weathering wise.

 

It still a big risk for me, if it eventually looks ok, been looking at faded 20 on Waverley West, and 08 on Southern blues 80's work on here and it leaves me a little apprehensive, anyway, we shall see how it turns out........

 

 

Had to resort to a temporary in fill piece, as I had a second front end carefully shaped decal break up on application. This work around did the trick (3rd time lucky!) So it was a total of 3 wasp stripe pieces to fit (1 rad end and 2 at cab end-upper and lower), but ended up having 6 attempts to nail it.

 

 

Side view with additional decals applied.

 

 

Front end view

 

 

Cab end view.

 

Thanks for the ongoing interest, 

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

[Robert Shrives]

A good  dose of grot should finish the 08 off nicely.  A grand little project, I missed out on as chassis at the time not enough cash in the bank. ( not much better now mind you! )  so sad to read no chance of any more. But can understand the sanity/ horror of batch building them.

Robert  

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi Robert, yes I count myself lucky to have secured one of the micro production run chassis, to be fair, the Lincoln Locos (LL) 3d body is readily available. 

 

More work done, inching forward, fettling the wasp stripes with mainly matt black touch up here and there, mainly round the cab windscreens and the outside edge of the radiator.

 

Also fitted the buffers and buffer beam detailing items from LL in the form of a vac pipe and a lovely screw shackle with integral draw hook, saved me hours of fiddling about with 0.3mm wire and scraps of plasticard.

 

 

Temporarily on the chassis and the vac cylinders fitted under the buffer beam.

 

 

Another cruel close up.

 

 

Side view with pre weathered connecting rods. All the decals have been protected with a coat of thinned gloss varnish ready for the weathering process.

 

 

Ooops, looks like its made a break for it off the work bench onto the layout !

 

So, getting close, just weathering then flush glazing. Obviously also need to sort out a toy coupler as well, but decided to finish it with cosmetic buffer beams first just for the fun of it.

 

[bradfordbuffer]

31 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Hi Robert, yes I count myself lucky to have secured one of the micro production run chassis, to be fair, the Lincoln Locos (LL) 3d body is readily available. 

 

More work done, inching forward, fettling the wasp stripes with mainly matt black touch up here and there, mainly round the cab windscreens and the outside edge of the radiator.

 

Also fitted the buffers and buffer beam detailing items from LL in the form of a vac pipe and a lovely screw shackle with integral draw hook, saved me hours of fiddling about with 0.3mm wire and scraps of plasticard.

 

 

Temporarily on the chassis and the vac cylinders fitted under the buffer beam.

 

 

Another cruel close up.

 

 

Side view with pre weathered connecting rods. All the decals have been protected with a coat of thinned gloss varnish ready for the weathering process.

 

 

Ooops, looks like its made a break for it off the work bench onto the layout !

 

So, getting close, just weathering then flush glazing. Obviously also need to sort out a toy coupler as well, but decided to finish it with cosmetic buffer beams first just for the fun of it.

 

Brill almost there....I can hear every body panel rattling with engine on tick over.....keeping the cab heating 1° over outside temperature and the bloody shunter at any opertunity opening door for a 10 min chat about football....and last night's all important match.....(I have no interest in footy but every one in Liverpool thinks you do!) And 30 seconds of instructions of up coming shunt moves.....and before he has got down cab steps I've gently shut the cab door with my foot....well slammed at which point both cab windows drop instantaneously letting more damp November air in....

[TT100 Diesels]

A nice anecdote, imagine a frosty night at Speke Jn .........

 

Anyway, on a roll, its good weathering weather at the mo (hammering down wity rain), so well, got on with the weathering, as you do.

 

Couple of pix hot off the workbench.

 

 

 

Just the look I was after, faded blue, dirty / oily, it is of the generic pattern of how 08's appear in photos in this condition. Tried to copy the pic of 08685 on RailOnline, within my current abilities. 

 

Still, hope it continues to be of interest, I do seem to be plonking rather a lot of pictures of its progress on this thread !

[TT-Pete]

4 hours ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Still, hope it continues to be of interest, I do seem to be plonking rather a lot of pictures of its progress on this thread !

 

Indeed, no issue here, carry on, more! :^)

 

[bradfordbuffer]

4 hours ago, TT100 Diesels said:

A nice anecdote, imagine a frosty night at Speke Jn .........

 

Anyway, on a roll, its good weathering weather at the mo (hammering down wity rain), so well, got on with the weathering, as you do.

 

Couple of pix hot off the workbench.

 

 

 

Just the look I was after, faded blue, dirty / oily, it is of the generic pattern of how 08's appear in photos in this condition. Tried to copy the pic of 08685 on RailOnline, within my current abilities. 

 

Still, hope it continues to be of interest, I do seem to be plonking rather a lot of pictures of its progress on this thread !

Love the oil staining....one observation if its a manual fuel transfer pump to header tank loco it needs fuel spillage from pressure release valve just infront of cab that then stained down body in same muckyoily stains as elsewhere! 

Manual filled fitted locos are identified by lack of electric pump as in picture below...always a good sight to see pump as no pump = sore arm pumping (pump operating arm in the most uncomfortable location in cab......why!....)as you just know the driver before wouldn't of done it!

 

Fuel spillage happens during refueling on shed as auto shut off on fuel pump doesn't work with it open valve on loco....its raining Diesel!

I presume loco will be visiting 'blueish at Easter? Can't wait to see the oily thing!

Getting 3mm noticed...top draw stuff

G

[03060]

Loving the work so far Dave and mightily impressed with the wasp stripes (and your patience) but feel I'd better mention (very quietly) that 08685 is of the later style engine room door type and not the earlier long hinged type that your body is of, you may well be already aware of this in which case tell me to 'bog off' ! (LoL)

 

Just as a slight anecdote regarding chassis for the 08, many years ago I bought a 12mm gauge one in a packet from Alan Docherty at a meeting which I didn't look at again for quite a lot of years having filed it in the future projects draw(s) .... when I did look at it again I found that I had inadvertantley picked up his whole stock of about a dozen or so chassis !! I hasten to say that all bar one were returned to him (rather red faced) at the next available meeting .... I think that he's watched me with a very 'keen' eye ever since !!

 

Best wishes,

Ian.

 

(PS - I still haven't gotten around to making that chassis ... Doh !)

Edited December 7, 2023 by 03060
Correction.

[TT100 Diesels]

Ian,

 

Right, that's it then, outside on the patio and a hammer, smash it to bits......... 😢.

 

Joking apart, been on Rail-Online 08 gallery for what feels like years ! Err no after all that, never twigged the engine room door hinges. Was busy looking for a DY vac braked one that was suitably faded. Just had another look, the highest numbered one with a pic is 08266. Need to have another look and have a think about patching out the number and renumbering. Not sure though, not ruled out but I'll need to have a good think about it.

 

Graham,

 

Is it just a case of looking at the pics and seeing if fuel spill is there or not? Certainly 08685 is relatively clean in that area, the pic does not indicate a diesel shower.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

 

[bradfordbuffer]

17 minutes ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Ian,

 

Right, that's it then, outside on the patio and a hammer, smash it to bits......... 😢.

 

Joking apart, been on Rail-Online 08 gallery for what feels like years ! Err no after all that, never twigged the engine room door hinges. Was busy looking for a DY vac braked one that was suitably faded. Just had another look, the highest numbered one with a pic is 08266. Need to have another look and have a think about patching out the number and renumbering. Not sure though, not ruled out but I'll need to have a good think about it.

 

Graham,

 

Is it just a case of looking at the pics and seeing if fuel spill is there or not? Certainly 08685 is relatively clean in that area, the pic does not indicate a diesel shower.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

 

Most of the vac only door straps loco where very low numbers....but Hay...its got 3 axles its outside cranked and its blue. So close enough...

Don't quote me but think most strapped door locos disappeared by 80s in virtue of lack of air brakes then it gets complicated with extra cubards on side under air intake grills and air cylinder under front buffer beam beam...location of equipment on a standard loco was as about as un standard as could be...when learning 08s the instructor opened a body box and had his back to loco and proudley anounced in hear is the vac exauster! And pointed to a empty box!

 

Don't sledge hammer it....just renumber to low number...285!

[bradfordbuffer]

7 minutes ago, bradfordbuffer said:

Most of the vac only door straps loco where very low numbers....but Hay...its got 3 axles its outside cranked and its blue. So close enough...

Don't quote me but think most strapped door locos disappeared by 80s in virtue of lack of air brakes then it gets complicated with extra cubards on side under air intake grills and air cylinder under front buffer beam beam...location of equipment on a standard loco was as about as un standard as could be...when learning 08s the instructor opened a body box and had his back to loco and proudley anounced in hear is the vac exauster! And pointed to a empty box!

 

Don't sledge hammer it....just renumber to low number...285!

At least low number locos had same wood frame doors as lincon loco has apposed to steel framed door! No need to hack door off!🤐

Keep it up your work flow is impressive...I've a back log of house jobs keeping me away form modeling...

Work bench has a layer of dust on it....

Edited December 7, 2023 by bradfordbuffer

[TT100 Diesels]

Just been doing some research, the only DY allox 08's in my time frame with long hinges were 08142 and 08216. Both vac only, good, but the phot of 142 shows only the 2 lower side chevrons on the rad so not doing that one. Can't find a pic of 216, so I am formally invoking a Certificate of Engineering Acceptance for 08685 that included the clause 'Rule 1'.

 

So, I am moving on from that ahem, little hiccup. In the meantime, been fitting a cab rear bulkhead and also the radiator filler pipes on the front end. These had to wait till the wasp stripes were completed.

 

 

Borrowed a technique picked up off James Makins workbench thread. No messy adhesive to bond dead fiddly 0.3mm n/s rod, used gloss varnish, allows some moving about with a cocktail stick till happy then let set. The varnish will disappear once I do my final matt spray varnish coat. James uses this method to fix etched nameplates. Pure genius, many thanks.