Michael Hodgson Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Come off it. All GWR engines look the same !😁 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwmtwrch Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: First batch converted fromstored late build 42XX. 7200 - 7219, curved drop end, raised running plate over the cylinders, Collett patter motion bracket. Second batch. 7220 - 7239. Converted from older 42XX but retaining square drop end, straight running plate over the cylinders, and Churchward motion brackett The first batch were converted from 5275-5294, the second from 5255-5274. Both batches were 5205 class, so had the larger cylinders and outside steam pipes from new, Both kept their original front end footplating. (The numbers 5255-5264 were reused for a new batch of 2-8-0T in 1940, again with the larger cylinders and raised footplate.) As you state, the third batch got new front ends on rebuilding, with the raised footplate, as they were rebuilt from earlier 42xx with smaller cylinders, and some of the second batch later gained the raised footplate over the cylinders. Just to confuse things, quite a lot of 42xx got new cylinders and outside steam pipes without getting the raised footplate, although some, presumably those dealt with after the mid-1930s, did. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 This is why I want to model a preserved engine as it is now At least I know what it should look like Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Are there any other options of an OO or O 72XX out there other than the 2013 Hornby tooling? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, wappinghigh said: This is why I want to model a preserved engine as it is now At least I know what it should look like Cheers To get how they look like now, the cylinders is least of your worries, none of them have a boiler fitted, only 2 have a smokebox in place and only 1 has rods on. sorry, couldnt resist. Edited October 28, 2023 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 ^ Sure. We all live in hope Love these iconic tank engines! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2023 18 hours ago, wappinghigh said: Are there any other options of an OO or O 72XX out there other than the 2013 Hornby tooling? thanks The former Cotswold w/M kit which might, or might not, have been re-released by the oresent owners of the moulds. There was also a Ks w/m lkt but the body etc parts were rather inferior to the Cotswold offering and the Cotswold kit had a machined brass chassis; hopefully nobody will ever re-release the Ks' offering. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 23 hours ago, wappinghigh said: Are there any other options of an OO or O 72XX out there other than the 2013 Hornby tooling? thanks I built a Cotswold whitemetal kit of one many years ago. Quite pleased with it as a kit,and the milled brass chassis gave it quite some weight as well not having to worry if you were building it square. It wasn't at all difficult to build as the 72xx doesn't have that fiddly Walshaerts gear that's such a pain to assemble. From memory I think it had alternative castings to build a 42xx 2-8-0T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Some of the older pictures to illustrate variations are no longer available. What are the main differences between the Collet and Churchward motion brackets? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 hours ago, wappinghigh said: Some of the older pictures to illustrate variations are no longer available. What are the main differences between the Collet and Churchward motion brackets? Thanks. Does this help? The tender versions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Does this help? The tender versions. Those motion brackets look exactly the same to me? @The Stationmaster will be able to tell us. He wrote a piece - like a decade ago on the differences between the Churchard and the later Collet motion brackets but the pictures from the thread (now archived) are no longer available 😔 Edited October 31, 2023 by wappinghigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Revised description of the currently preserved 72XX locomotives (how they appeared at the time they left service) : 7200 curved drop end, raised running plate over the cylinders, Collett (later) pattern motion bracket. Started life as a later built 42XX (which had become 5275 before conversion into 7200 ) 7202 curved drop end, raised running plate over the cylinders, Collett (later) pattern motion bracket. Started life as a later built 42XX (which had become 5277 before conversion into 7202) 7229 retained the square drop end, straight running plate over the cylinders, and Churchward motion brackett from an earlier built 42xx (which had become 5264 before conversion into 7229) 😀? LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwmtwrch Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, wappinghigh said: Those motion brackets look exactly the same to me? https://www.hattons.co.uk/directory/vehicledetails/1003158/2_6_0_class_43xx_mogul_gwr - Earlier. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/5846-2/ - Later. Note this version is not a flat plate; there is a strip along the outer edge at right angles to the main plate. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) I'm daft (learning newbie) kindly point to the actual motion bracket/plate. thanks! 😀 Edited October 31, 2023 by wappinghigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/27843331795/in/album-72157669537628532/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/27566049900/in/album-72157669538653672 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) ^Hey thanks so much. Sorry for annoying you all - but clearly understanding these plates is a major focus on getting the important history of the Collett over Churchward re-build of various locomotives in these classes correct. And Hornby got that part of the detail of R3127 and R3128 right!! Edited November 1, 2023 by wappinghigh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) When it came to Hornby models of other models in this thread (42XX/52xx) there is a comment elsewhere about the upgraded batches. Later batches (models were better put together, and had brass bearings etc).. the comment was "all the R322X batches had these features (were better) The R312X are the originals without brass bearings and with inferior motors." My question is were there two batches of 72XX and is there any way of telling the difference before actually receiving one (and taking it apart)? Edited November 1, 2023 by wappinghigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Second question. I can't find a source that sells an individual part of the Collett style motion plate. in OO. Anyone know of one? Thanks Edited November 1, 2023 by wappinghigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, wappinghigh said: Second question. I can't find a source that sells an individual part of the Collett style motion plate. in OO. Anyone know of one? Thanks In Hornby world, that is a different body. Check the service sheet 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 We need a Welshman to take over Hornby! (And retool the 72XX) Just MO! 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 2, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2023 11 hours ago, wappinghigh said: We need a Welshman to take over Hornby! (And retool the 72XX) Just MO! 😀 A Welshman did take over the management of the company, and it made no difference to the 72XX As I said previously you need to match the running number you choose to the body detail you start with - that's the simplest way to do it. incidentally the body style shown in the service sheet linked by 'Miss Prism' is of an engine built in the first batch - so 7200 - 7219. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) Thanks for all the help Mike. I didn’t know that about the previous CEO of Hornby. Geez. And to think the 72XX and indeed all the other Great Western large tank class (versions) before them that they were derived from, are such iconic steam engines and were so common in and around Wales and south west England. And with all the other trouble with Hornby getting these models right (and constructed properly!) -yes it seems there was “batch one”, then “batch two”- to rectify the manufacturing issues of batch one - you’d think after all these years with a Welshman at the helm they would have had a few diecast tools of these by now! Heck even a retooling (it’s been a decade since the last) and a few more versions of the vagaries of these wonderful and varied engines. Not to mention some likely different preserved versions. Yes the actual preserved large GW tank locomotives are few and far between. I get that. Which is a darn shame because they are such awesome machines and amazing examples of living history - but what can you do?! Your absolutely correct. I also get there would be commercial decisions Hornby would have to make. I don’t understand why these tanks aren’t say as popular as a Manor (for example) - and look how many versions there are of those! Now two different manufacturers! But thanks for explaining how there is a way to get around this issue modelling whilst we wait. So thanks to you and everyone for explaining what to do. Cheers. Edited November 4, 2023 by wappinghigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 There's a few on ebay at the moment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: There's a few on ebay at the moment. Sure if you are talking about the lineside one that's a "batch one"... I've already asked 😀 Looking forward to a "batch two" cropping up (or a Hornby re-release) (Batches here refer to the Hornby "fixes" and better construction of the model after it's initial 2013 release) nothing to do with the history of the actual locomotive development Cheers Edited November 4, 2023 by wappinghigh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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