phil gollin Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 hours ago, woodenhead said: Or maybe just to do a 16 tonner to this standard - I am sure people will buy them. . Oh yes ! I've already ordered some pre-TOPS MDOs and MDVs, but the various standard 16-ton coal/mineral wagons done to this standard would sell by the bucket load. Please, please, please ! . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Hello everyone i cant find pictures of MDW PMV MC metal livery from Rails exclusive has one picture but I need more information and pictures from MC Glasgow to ravenscraig thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) The inspiration for some of the MDVs Pack A B312418 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2497bdb7 B312059K https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e1cc4a522 B313014 Pack B B312249 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2ffb3fe0 B313052 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e33100838 B313179 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e3e00bd99 Pack C B312005 B312482K https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e3c793b39 B313499 Pack D B312257 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/ea5e5ad73 B312744 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e5e99c8e4 B312850 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e290bf5c2 Pack E B312337 B312865 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e5e99e1e6 B312969 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e22871e65 Edited November 7, 2020 by hmrspaul 5 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 3 hours ago, class37418stag said: Hello everyone i cant find pictures of MDW PMV MC metal livery from Rails exclusive has one picture but I need more information and pictures from MC Glasgow to ravenscraig thank you There is a chapter with these in here! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Private-Wagons-Colour-Modeller-Historian/dp/071103365X Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 So thats why the wallet did a runner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 A really inspired choice Fran and Co. I have half a dozen unbuilt Chivers kits in the stash which haven't yet seen the knife, but they will mix and match together. As a West Midlands modeller the 21 tonner is staple and I will definitely treat myself to some of these. A little secret wish / fantasy which I have had for a few years is a little South Wales plank based very loosely on Wernos washery / Pantyfynnon area. A blue 08, a blue 37 and an LLG refurb 37 and a dozen MDVs. Totally out of my normal sphere of modelling, but perhaps it will become a reality in a couple of years, when Fran and the guys produce the definitive 37/5 and 37/7 refurbs - obviously after the 37/6 and 37/0 !!!!. In the meantime, a really sad image already in RMweb, but a use for an odd MDV - if one were needed. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said: Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s? Cheers. Not as far as I know. In fact I can't recall any departmental 21 tonners until the huge Tope / Clam / Rudd programme where some underframes may have been used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said: Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s? Cheers. I don't know about MDO's, but at least one MDV was used by the Electrification Engineers on the Birminghams Cross City Electrification scheme. Here's ZDV LDB311737 in the yard at Kings Norton, January 1993. Paul J. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Saw these on Mr Bartlett’s, down the bottom of the page https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said: Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s? Cheers. I am not aware that any 21t mins were used for spoil in a similar way the MCV/MXVs became ZHVs. I believe only vacuum braked 16t mins were recoded ZHVs. The principle aim at the time being to withdraw old unfitted engineers stock and replace with vac braked stock, so all the unfitted MCOs were withdrawn. I would assume MDOs were similarly withdrawn from traffic, cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rivercider said: I am not aware that any 21t mins were used for spoil in a similar way the MCV/MXVs became ZHVs. I believe only vacuum braked 16t mins were recoded ZHVs. The principle aim at the time being to withdraw old unfitted engineers stock and replace with vac braked stock, so all the unfitted MCOs were withdrawn. I would assume MDOs were similarly withdrawn from traffic, cheers Exactly my thouight too. The 16 tonners "weighted" out before "bulking" out when used for spoil carrying, hence the slots being cut in the sides. I imagine the 21 tonners would more significantly bulk out if used for spoil. I can only guess that Electrification department 21 tonners was used for collecting scrap metal from the Cross city electrification project. A useful vehicle for Accurascale to produce. Thanks for the link Edited November 8, 2020 by Covkid 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture; https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said: Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture; https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f There was a small batch transferred to Departmental sock at Tees Yard; it was around the time of the ECML electrification, so perhaps something in connection with that? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said: Saw these on Mr Bartlett’s, down the bottom of the page https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber But they are complete rebodies, and many had completely different brake rigging as they were on the frames from 21T hoppers. See: Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons - the rebuilding programme. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 596) pp 708 - 711 & 697. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said: Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture; https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f I stand corrected there then! I certainly don't remember any on the WR when I worked in Bristol TOPS and later in Westbury TOPS. The wagons would have been useful for conveying certain things, including scrap, but as Covkid says they would have been a liability if used for spoil traffic, which is denser than coal. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Covkid said: In the meantime, a really sad image already in RMweb, but a use for an odd MDV - if one were needed. Sorry but that is an MDO - almost certainly one of the total rebuilds as being discussed, but not relevant to this announcement. Some of the announced MDOs appear to be based on my photos. Pack C B201059 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e288e7858 B201110 B201473 Pack D B201048 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e142a4b4b B201332 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e2723a558 B201385 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e30c050b0 Pack E B201284 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e3c64309a B201322 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e2d4a76df B201394 Of course these go back to being introduced as a "standard wagon" in 1950 and are a steam era wagon which could have worked anywhere, often singly with 16t (and wooden minerals). Paul 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mophead45143 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 39 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said: Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture; https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f That is one of the 1970's re-bodied MDO's, not the diagram 1/107 which Accursacale have announced (though they look very similar). The chassis appears to be from an LNER style BR 21t hopper. Cameron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 19 hours ago, w124bob said: The kit builders curse strikes! I've just built 3 ex Chivers Finelines MDV's, Oh well. There was at least one Scottish pit using MDV's in shortish block trains, as a clip appears on a DVD I have featuring the final years of the class 27's. Bundle ordered, 15 behind a class 27 or a fitted head for a long rake of mixed minerals behind a scruffy green D6, decisions decisions, just need to build a layout now! The MDV were used in Fife on Westfield - Thornton - Methil Power Station workings in the mid 1980s usually worked by a Class 20, 26 or 27 off Thornton. I’m gonna need a good few of the Tops MDV. If you want to renumber, Railtec recently produced decals for the MDV covering all periods and Cambridge Custom Transfers also do a sheet of decals for them as built. Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Mophead45143 said: That is one of the 1970's re-bodied MDO's, not the diagram 1/107 which Accursacale have announced (though they look very similar). The chassis appears to be from an LNER style BR 21t hopper. Cameron There is a list of rebuilt 21t Minerals on P15 of 'Wagons of the Early British Rail Era' by David Larkin. All these wagons were given new numbers, starting from B315000; the highest number I can identify is B317599.. Chassis were from a number of sources; HTO and HUOs being the majority. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Thanks for all the replies, and apologies for the thread drift, but in my defence I thought it was the same wagon hence why I sought some info. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growling Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Great announcement Accurascale. A couple of nice images for the Scottish modeller courtesy of John Dedmans collection. https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/44920901394/in/photolist-2brvmXU-ngnDnM https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/13957462651/in/photolist-2brvmXU-ngnDnM Rich. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2020 Packs ordered, photographs obtained, airbrush ready, pigments selected, level of aniticipation chosen. Now for the long wait. . . . . . . . . 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubber duck Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Cant wait to find out what else in in the Accurascale "Powering Britain" pipline..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, rubber duck said: Cant wait to find out what else in in the Accurascale "Powering Britain" pipline..... So much more... 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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