Charlie Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Maybe I'm being a little churlish, but IIRC the Thompson L1 never carried the number 9001 did it? Has this been pointed out to Hornby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Maybe I'm being a little churlish, but IIRC the Thompson L1 never carried the number 9001 did it? Has this been pointed out to Hornby? Yes it did along with others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Really? Cos according to Wiki and the LNER Encyclopedia they didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Really? Cos according to Wiki they didn't... And you trust the infallibilty of Wikipedia? I can't comment on the veracity of your second source but I wouldn't trust Wiki as a reliable source, Charlie. It's the on-line equivalent of 'a bloke down the pub'...! Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Really? Cos according to Wiki and the LNER Encyclopedia they didn't... Yep I can supply numbers if you need them :lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Well the Wiki entry quote's an Ian Allen book and the LNER Encyclopedia and the Rail UK websites for there numbers so depends if you trust them really. And a pic of a LNER L1 that's not 9000 would be good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Your best source for this type of info is Yeadon's or the RCTS 'green books'. Those are pretty exhaustively researched and therefore the most reliable references. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 1, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2010 Well the Wiki entry quote's an Ian Allen book and the LNER Encyclopedia and the Rail UK websites for there numbers so depends if you trust them really. And a pic of a LNER L1 that's not 9000 would be good too! The 1947 edition of the LNER ABC, subtitled 'Renumbering Edition' quotes the L1 as 9000 however the original(?) owner of the book altered that number to 7700 at some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 RCTS Volume has a picture of 9002 in LNER Livery with red buffers ,as were 9001 and 9003 all in Yellow Gills Sans livery. 9000 had shaded livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2010 The entry in the LNER encyclopaedia is in fact correct. It states that 9000 was the only LNER tank loco painted in lined green. The rest of course, including 9001, were built in 1948 and later, by British Railways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Is there a photo on the web of this? Tried Google but got a load of junk instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted October 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2010 The RCTS 'green book' Bible part 9A states that nos. 67701-67716 were originally numbered thus: 9000-9003, E9004-E9012, 69013-69015. All were renumbered into the 677xx series between April and July 1948, and subsequent members of the class bore numbers in the 677xx series from new. 9000 was turned out in LNER green livery, initially lettered 'NE', but then repainted in 1946 with 'LNER' in shaded characters. 9001/2/3 were painted similarly, but with unshaded characters. E9004-12 were turned out in LNER green livery but lettered 'British Railways', as were 677017-22. 67723 upwards appeared in BR lined black livery from new, and the others were subsequently repainted to match. Several photos in said publication prove this (I don't think the internet was around at the time ), as do pictures in other publications, e.g. (to name but one) 'Locomotives Illustrated' no. 120. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 The RCTS 'green book' Bible part 9A states that nos. 67701-67716 were originally numbered thus: 9000-9003, E9004-E9012, 69013-69015. All were renumbered into the 677xx series between April and July 1948, and subsequent members of the class bore numbers in the 677xx series from new. 9000 was turned out in LNER green livery, initially lettered 'NE', but then repainted in 1946 with 'LNER' in shaded characters. 9001/2/3 were painted similarly, but with unshaded characters. E9004-12 were turned out in LNER green livery but lettered 'British Railways', as were 677017-22. 67723 upwards appeared in BR lined black livery from new, and the others were subsequently repainted to match. Several photos in said publication prove this (I don't think the internet was around at the time ), as do pictures in other publications, e.g. (to name but one) 'Locomotives Illustrated' no. 120. Excellent summation of the situation, thankyou. I wonder when Hornby will produce a stepped-frame black BR version? Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Saw the late crest body at Hornby's stand at Folkestone Model Railway show today. Oh yes. Very good indeed. Cheque book will need resuscitation in the near future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Well I wasn't getting an L1 at all but saw the LNER liveried on today and snapped it up. A truly great model of an idea model railway engine! Not a glamourous express engine but a more everyday workhorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TomTank Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Hornby now have images of the BR Black L1s...time to froth!!!!! images copyright of Hornby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhBBob Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Hornby now have images of the BR Black L1s...time to froth!!!!! images copyright of Hornby Oh gorgeous !! Especially the Lion on his Unicycle version; I recall seeing one at Grantham in 1950's - where the GN, GE and M&GN Joint met - so I must have it. Okay so I model 1/45th scale Switzerland but it will go with my other wimsical purchase, a Hornby B17 called 'L--ds' -n-t-d' Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 As a well-known bulldog would say; "Ooooh Yess!" Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TomTank Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Yikes, the early BR emblem engine is the NB split-frame version. I wonder if the smokebox door is a different moulding... I didnt expect it so soon. Heck, I hadn't noticed that either Coach, I'm noticing the cab differences too! well done Hornby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 If the B17s have this level of detail, I think we'll all be very happy BR Eastern region modellers! Beautiful work, I am looking forward to my black L1 arriving even more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 The later version also has the raised cover on the firebox. Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I agree. Amazing what a difference those substancial front steps make. The NB loco looks more solidly built.... I'm resigning myself to a 'funny hour'.... Perhaps the early crest loco 67772 front steps will be kinder to type 2 or 3 radius curves too! I think the early crest nominally 67772 is a Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn loco, My 'British Railways Steam Locomotives 1948-1968' by Hugh Longworth gives 67701 Doncaster, 67702-67730 Darlington, 67731-67765 North British, 67766-67800 Stephenson Hawthorn. The book gives no differences in weight for the different builders, but 4 locos 67770-1-2, 6, 9, had slightly smaller cylinders (18 3/4" down from 20") from 1954-on, and 5 locos 67747, 53, 61, 95, 98, had boiler pressure reduced from 225lb to 200lb. All withdrawn by the end of 1962. Not that it makes much difference to what looks to be a stunning model! Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The later version also has the raised cover on the firebox. Roger. The cab has also the limousine doors first fitted to the class in 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Oh gorgeous !! Especially the Lion on his Unicycle version; I recall seeing one at Grantham in 1950's - where the GN, GE and M&GN Joint met - so I must have it. Okay so I model 1/45th scale Switzerland but it will go with my other wimsical purchase, a Hornby B17 called 'L--ds' -n-t-d' Bob Not Grantham I'm afraid, GE & M&GN both south of there, only place that comes to my mind is Spalding where all three could be seen, don't think the GE actually got there either except as a joint line partner, although I have seen photos of GE freight locos working through there, maybe from Whitemoor yard. Incidentally that line is still known as 'the joint' There were definitely lots of them to be seen at Grantham though, some were shedded there and Colwick at one time or another had, I think, about 30% of the class total, mostly the contractor built ones with the split frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 5, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2010 Not Grantham I'm afraid, GE & M&GN both south of there, only place that comes to my mind is Spalding where all three could be seen, don't think the GE actually got there either except as a joint line partner, although I have seen photos of GE freight locos working through there, maybe from Whitemoor yard. Incidentally that line is still known as 'the joint' There were definitely lots of them to be seen at Grantham though, some were shedded there and Colwick at one time or another had, I think, about 30% of the class total, mostly the contractor built ones with the split frames I think this must be Peterborough M &GN to South Lynn started there, as did a number of GE section trains. Spalding would also have seen M&GN and GE regularly though. Grantham had one or two L1's on and off, but they didn't really arrive there or at Colwick in large numbers until 1959 onwards. This I know, as I have been trying to justify having one at Peterborough in 1958. An afternoon local from Hitchin has solved the problem, but Peterborough- Grantham locals are also in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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