woko Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 Its been too cold to do any printing lately so been working on this GER Machinery Wagon or Mac K in LNER days, seen here with an attempt to create a Thresher machine as a load. @thegreenhowards I will draw the line at 3d printing the rope used to hold this onto the wagon ;) 7 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 22 hours ago, woko said: @thegreenhowards I will draw the line at 3d printing the rope used to hold this onto the wagon ;) Thank goodness for that! Much better off with some cotton or thicker thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said: Thank goodness for that! Much better off with some cotton or thicker thread. I’d recommend rigging cord, used by the ship modellers - it’s almost hairless, comes in a variety of thicknesses, and the ‘natural’ colour is good for rope. See, for example: https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/Model-Boat-Fittings-Rigging-Thread.html Nick. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 ...and run through a lump of beeswax* to fair the strands and help it behave a little more like the real thing. *some melt the wax and paint it on 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woko Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 (edited) Thanks guys just looked at that link you sent magmouse, very useful, what thickness would you recommend for 7mm rope .25 or .50 ? Cheers Edited January 21 by woko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 Railway ropes were pretty much standardised at 75 feet long and 2.5 inch circumference. In 7mm scale, 0.5mm is pretty close. The bit that is harder to model is the coloured thread(s) or strand(s) identifying the railway company - in the pre-grouping period, each company had its own colour code, agreed with the Railway Clearing House. For the GER, it was one red strand. Possibly a detail too far.... Nick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 Also worth noting that a vehicle like this would have had the wheels chocked as well as ropes round the axles. I have found it hard to find really clear pictures of how this was done, but these might help: https://www.gettyimages.ca/photos/lorry-trailer-james-schoolbred?family=editorial&assettype=image&phrase=lorry trailer James schoolbred Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, magmouse said: Railway ropes were pretty much standardised at 75 feet long and 2.5 inch circumference. In 7mm scale, 0.5mm is pretty close. The bit that is harder to model is the coloured thread(s) or strand(s) identifying the railway company - in the pre-grouping period, each company had its own colour code, agreed with the Railway Clearing House. For the GER, it was one red strand. Possibly a detail too far.... Someone on the HMRS Electronic Area Group took me to task for not having represented this on my 4 mm scale models. There followed a debate about strands and threads, from which I learned that a rope would normally have three strands made up of some number - seven I think - of threads. So on a new rope, a coloured strand would stand out clearly but a thread would be harder to pick out. I do wonder, though, how long this would remain the case for a rope in continuous use. I'm not rushing to build myself a working 4 mm scale rope walk; I'm happy sticking with charcoal-coloured sewing thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: There followed a debate about strands and threads, from which I learned that a rope would normally have three strands made up of some number - seven I think - of threads. So on a new rope, a coloured strand would stand out clearly but a thread would be harder to pick out. I do wonder, though, how long this would remain the case for a rope in continuous use. I saw that email discussion - and pointed out that the GWR "one white and two green strand" colour scheme ought to be reasonably visible in photos, at least as one slightly darker strand compared to the other two. I've looked at a few photos and can see no trace, so I am not too worried my models also show no trace... 27 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: I'm not rushing to build myself a working 4 mm scale rope walk Despite my comments above, I feel the P4/S7 folks really should do this if they are really taking their modelling seriously! Oh, wait, that's me... Nick. Edited January 21 by magmouse correction of the GWR rope colour code 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 hours ago, Compound2632 said: ...and threads Then I hope you told him to get knotted: no such term is widely used in rope manufacture! 'Normal' rope is fibers twisted (via a couple if stages) into yarns, which are then layed up into strands, three of which are layed up into rope. The final stage is clockwise, the "Z Twist" above, and the rope should be coiled likewise to prevent kinks which can permanently weaken the rope. I hate to say it, but none of the above is harder than things modellers already do, and nor is unlaying a couple lenths of scale rope to its constituent strands and using those to lay up rope (by hand, no scale machinery required!) with the desired colours... ...but one may still reasonably feel life is too short :) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Schooner said: Then I hope you told him to get knotted: no such term is widely used in rope manufacture! The thing is, the term 'thread' is used in contemporary accounts of railway ropes - see R.J. Essery, 'Sheets, Ropes and Sacks', Midland Record No. 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: The thing is, the term 'thread' is used in contemporary accounts of railway ropes - see R.J. Essery, 'Sheets, Ropes and Sacks', Midland Record No. 3. And in the RCH documentation of the colour codes - see https://www.crassoc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12854&sid=b443085dcd80727b92ba0e97ec1f09bb#p12854 Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 (edited) 8 hours ago, Schooner said: Then I hope you told him Her, as it happens, or at least that's the assumption to be made from the nom-de-forum. Edited January 22 by Compound2632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Well that's me told on both counts! Hmmm...'yarn' and 'thread' each have specific meanings and contexts to do with construction and application, and not just in modern usage. @magmouse, have theatre riggers bored you with such chat? Can you remember the terms used? They'll likely be maritime-biased, given the history, but would make an interesting* reference point. Regardless, the railway term is clearly wrong clear! *YMMV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, magmouse said: And in the RCH documentation of the colour codes Ah, cool - crisis averted! Just read the attached. The terms are not being used interchangably, any more than 'yarn' and 'wire', but refer to a coloured thread being added to the yarns in the lay-up of each strand. Which makes a load of sense linguistically and practically! Normality restored, we can all relax and go about our days now 😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Her, as it happens, or at least that's the assumption to be made from the nom-de-forum. Might not tug at this thread, though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 9 minutes ago, Schooner said: Might not tug at this thread, though... I'm afraid I've lost the thread here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, Schooner said: have theatre riggers bored you with such chat? Can you remember the terms used? I don't recall ever getting into this level of detail, in terms of the construction of ropes. For most purposes in theatre, there are 'hemps' (hemp ropes of about 3/4 inch diameter) and 'sash' (cord originally used for sash windows, but now a term used for any small rope/cord around 1/3rd inch diameter). In theatre, just as you only really need 3 or 4 knots, you only need a couple of types of rope. All the serious rigging has moved to steel wire, webbing slings and the like, to meet H&S regulations. Nick (I'm sure @woko will be along soon with another amazing 3D print, to claim his bench back!) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woko Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 18 minutes ago, magmouse said: (I'm sure @woko will be along soon with another amazing 3D print, to claim his bench back!) Haha no you chaps crack on Nick! im enjoying the sharing of knowledge and ropey Banter ;) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: I'm afraid I've lost the thread here. Not to worry, it's coming up lunchtime so sit yourself down and I'll spin you a yarn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ianmaccormac Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 Just don't get yourself tied up in knots! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted January 22 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22 I’ve changed my mind. I want Rob to 3D print the retaining ropes so that I can enjoy seeing him paint in the coloured threads! 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woko Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Update on the Smithfield station facade! lots of modelling still to do, especially inside the building ! We are hoping to model a partly cutaway station with ticket halls, waiting rooms, and I couldn't resist adding a Victorian Gents in one of the side wings!!! I have lots of extra bits to model including furniture, fireplaces, toilets/urinals, stairs, ticket offices etc! The floors are going to be made from coffee stirrers for floorboards, and joists. The roof will need some figuring out, but so far this building is in 3 parts, the roofs will add a further 3 sections, and all the interior details will be resin printed so as to get better detail, whilst this shell will be FDM 5 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted February 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1 Wow! Can’t wait to see it all printed! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woko Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 Been a while since I posted anything! House moving malarkey is getting nearer and nearer! however in the meantime building this little baby onto a Dapol O gauge Terrier chassis has been keeping me saneish! Great Eastern Railway E22 or J65 if you prefer your LNER/BR eras! taken on Smithfield the clubs layout! 13 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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