Is this a wagon?

[NorthEndCab]

Whilst out and about in the Peak District I came across this somewhat dilapidated goose house in a field at the top of a hill. 
 

It looks familiar but also not, and I was wondering if anyone with more skill in recognising old rolling stock would know if it is indeed a wagon or just a wagon-like structure?

 

Unfortunately I was unable to get a clear picture of the ends due to a rather territorial goat. 

 

Many thanks

[Sitham Yard]

2 minutes ago, NorthEndCab said:

Whilst out and about in the Peak District I came across this somewhat dilapidated goose house in a field at the top of a hill. 
 

It looks familiar but also not, and I was wondering if anyone with more skill in recognising old rolling stock would know if it is indeed a wagon or just a wagon-like structure?

 

Unfortunately I was unable to get a clear picture of the ends due to a rather territorial goat. 

 

Many thanks

I think it is a horse box probably LMS design.

Andrew 

[Dave John]

Looks like the remnants of a horse box to me. 

[keefer]

Some sort of horsebox or cattle van?

Double doors at the LH end and drop-down door in the centre. Extreme RH end may be an  extension.

Edited October 15, 2022 by keefer

[keefer]

Going by @Sitham Yard's suggestion of LMS origin found this on Paul Bartlett's site:

MR dia.401 3-ton horsebox from 1921: https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsparcels/ed207cbc

(RH end of OP not an extension after all)

Edited October 15, 2022 by keefer

[NorthEndCab]

Thank you for the prompt responses!

 

It’s very near the old LNWR Buxton - Ashbourne line, but I’m still in awe of how they got it up there given the width of the sunken lane leading up to it. 

Edited October 15, 2022 by NorthEndCab

[Dave John]

Might well be of this type;

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/callysleeperkid/13126703805/in/pool-midlandrailwaycentre

 

[Wickham Green too]

Might well be this one  http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=15997 !

[Compound2632]

13 minutes ago, Dave John said:

Might well be of this type;

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/callysleeperkid/13126703805/in/pool-midlandrailwaycentre

 

 

I'll go with it being an LMS rather than MR horsebox; the LMS ones inherited many design features from the Midland ones but were a foot longer at 21 ft over body, with a wider luggage compartment, having wider panels either side of the doors. The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey lists a good number of these, in various states of decay, but I haven't convinced myself of a match.

 

[Edit - not convinced by @Wickham Green too's identification unless the breeze block wall has been knocked down since the RHRCS photo was taken.]

Edited October 15, 2022 by Compound2632

[NorthEndCab]

12 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Might well be this one  http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=15997 !

That’s the exact location. It mentions there being two, so i think it may be the other 

Edited October 15, 2022 by NorthEndCab

[Michael Hodgson]

I wouldn't call that a horse box.  I think it would collapse if you let any self-respecting horse into it.

Perhaps safe enough to use as a chicken shed?

 

Please don't tell me that you're looking for funds to restore it running order!

[Compound2632]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

I wouldn't call that a horse box.

 

I think folk are saying it was a horse box.

 

28 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Please don't tell me that you're looking for funds to restore it running order!

 

There are better candidates for restoration projects, given that there is a restored example of the same type:

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=798.

[Wickham Green too]

1 hour ago, NorthEndCab said:

... i think it may be the other 

I don't think so http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=14921 !

[NorthEndCab]

19 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

I don't think so http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=14921 !

I see. The wall must have been demolished then. It doesn’t look like it would cope with being moved. 
 

Although it could be sturdier than it looks. 

[melmerby]

https://goo.gl/maps/SrhuarWTqgL2ovjD7

 

I suspect the other one is hidden under the ad hoc mish mash of corrugated tin by the wall

 

 

[melmerby]

2 minutes ago, NorthEndCab said:

I see. The wall must have been demolished then. It doesn’t look like it would cope with being moved. 
 

Although it could be sturdier than it looks. 

Looking from the opposite direction? There is a breeze block construction nearer the road.

https://goo.gl/maps/pddVFHTx4ViS6gnd6

Edited October 15, 2022 by melmerby

[Compound2632]

Inspection of the aerial photo on Bing Maps suggests that http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=14921 faces onto a farm track at the south side of the Crossland Sides farmyard, whilst http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=15997, the subject of the photo under discussion, is at the north end of the farmyard. The two photos on the RHRP website are from the opposite side; the breeze block wall must have been removed between those two photos being taken, I now realise.

[NorthEndCab]

6 hours ago, melmerby said:

Looking from the opposite direction? There is a breeze block construction nearer the road.

https://goo.gl/maps/pddVFHTx4ViS6gnd6

That’s gone now, it’s open to the lane. 

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, NorthEndCab said:

That’s gone now

Considering the state of things it probably fell down...🙂

[Wickham Green too]

... when somebody sneezed.

[kevinlms]

No keeping privacy from Google!

[CEINEWYDD]

I understand that many horseboxes (certainly for racehorses) had 3 compartments.  One end had space for fodder, the middle was for the Geegees , and the other end was for groom/grooms.  Race horse owners and trainers were (and still are) very particular about the care & transport of these big smelly candidates for the dog meat factory.    

[Compound2632]

57 minutes ago, CEINEWYDD said:

One end had space for fodder

 

and tack.