RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted February 13, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2023 Mk1 RMB M1867 at Wolverhampton on 19/09/80 (my photo) 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted February 13, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Both sides of Mk1 RBR M1627 at Wolverhampton on 19/09/80 (my photos) Edited May 8, 2023 by franciswilliamwebb (updated image links to avoid a red photos) 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 M1657 at Blazingsmoke on the Poole Sleeper 22/4/89 - as mentioned in the Prototype for Everything thread : - 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 13, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2023 M1627 at Wolverhampton is a cracker for those little details, like the window ventilator & frames and the 'door and a third'. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2023 M1657 carries an OY (Oxley) depot allocation sticker. Not seen them (or perhaps noticed them?) on the carriage ends before. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2023 20 hours ago, keefer said: M1627 at Wolverhampton is a cracker for those little details, like the window ventilator & frames and the 'door and a third'. And the smoke stains from the kitchen window vents. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just in case people are beginning to think all Mark 1 Catering Vehicle numbers end in 7 - here are the famous RMB twins 1872 & 1873 : - Carlisle : 13/11/87 ... but why famous ? - maybe this'll remind you : - Waterloo : 21/9/74 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2023 The two RMB posted above were replacements for two RB vehicles (S1758/9) which were converted in 1968 for use with the new Bournemouth stock (REP/TC). 1759 was used in the unique 8-VAB unit from 1968-75 but was then withdrawn as it had been more permanently modified for EMU use meaning it wasn't worth converting back to l/h standard (removed buffers, fixed-head buckeye, EP brakes and modified power supply). 1758 was more 'standard' and was used between units or in special trains as required. After the RMBs were converted, 1758 went back to l/h stock on the LMR in 1974. https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-3TC-4TC-4REP-Bournemouth-1966.html#PushPull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 The one peculiar modification I remember from looking round 1872/3 at Carlisle was a little ramp in the base of each gangway - so the floor level must have been lower than standard or the floor level in the electrics higher !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted February 16, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2023 Mk1 RBR M1956 at Stafford on 28/04/87 (my photo) 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 While we're still on a Blue & Grey theme, here's 1861 ( with NSE branding ) at Kings Lynn : 20/4/88 : - 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Anyone got any pics of the griddle cars in the class 309 units? - The four car unit in the six car set that went to Clacton had a griddle car in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 16, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2023 55 minutes ago, Arun Sharma said: Anyone got any pics of the griddle cars in the class 309 units? - The four car unit in the six car set that went to Clacton had a griddle car in it. Not got a picture but one was apparently converted from a class 123 buffet car 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted February 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Arun Sharma said: Anyone got any pics of the griddle cars in the class 309 units? - The four car unit in the six car set that went to Clacton had a griddle car in it. Is this the one? https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/23113 According to railcar website, it was the only one converted from Class 123 to Class 309, to replace an accident damaged one. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-123/numbering 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 16, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Moxy said: Is this the one? https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/23113 According to railcar website, it was the only one converted from Class 123 to Class 309, to replace an accident damaged one. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-123/numbering The fastest DMU car from the west! Great find first time I've seen a picture of it. It is quite different to the rest unit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted February 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: While we're still on a Blue & Grey theme, here's 1861 ( with NSE branding ) at Kings Lynn : 20/4/88 : - Keeping with 1861 but after blue/grey 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Arun Sharma said: Anyone got any pics of the griddle cars in the class 309 units? - The four car unit in the six car set that went to Clacton had a griddle car in it. Close crop of Griddle Car - note the GE-prefix. Image by Owen Smithers on Flickr There is a great side-on pic of the other side somewhere but can't remember where! There are two blank panels rhs of the centre door, like on an RMB. This is the best i can find at the 'mo. There seems to be a toilet window lhs of the door: By Michael Taylor on Flickr I'll keep looking for the other, better pic (it's a maroon unit). 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Thank you - I would certainly like to see that other pic if you are able to track it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Better view (of a model) From http://www.britanniapacific.co.uk/Overhead 309.htm EDIT: I was trying to work out why the doors/window spaces don't quite add up compared to a l/h coach but realised there are no toilets at the end of the coach (like a TSO or SK), so giving room for the toilet 'inside'. Edited February 17, 2023 by keefer 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 15/02/2023 at 21:17, keefer said: The two RMB posted above were replacements for two RB vehicles (S1758/9) which were converted in 1968 for use with the new Bournemouth stock (REP/TC). They were also used in the 2 8MIG units on the Portsmouth line when the 4BIGs were being taken off for Asbestos removal in the early 80's. Ultimately the route lost all it's BIGs and got the all 7 of the Refurb 4BEPs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2023 Thanks for that @frobisher, I must admit I hadn't looked further at the RMBs but now you mention them, I remember the 8MIG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 17, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2023 Still can't find the photo but there is the BR Diagram drawing: Something i didn't realise was the 'normal' seats are 2+1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, keefer said: Thanks for that @frobisher, I must admit I hadn't looked further at the RMBs but now you mention them, I remember the 8MIG. They're on my mind at the moment as I recently unearthed my old spotting books and these two are pencilled in with the whole formations. Growing up in Godalming, those two units were something exceptional to see at the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 18, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) On 15/02/2023 at 21:41, Wickham Green too said: The one peculiar modification I remember from looking round 1872/3 at Carlisle was a little ramp in the base of each gangway - so the floor level must have been lower than standard or the floor level in the electrics higher !!?! Thats because the floor levels ramp up towards the front gangway in the driving cars of CIG / VEP / REP / CEP / TC units! This in turn is due to the gangway door assembly which obviously has to be much more robust when its forms the leading end of the train as opposed to a mere intermediate gangway within the train. Naturally this is no problem when two units are coupled together as the ramp up on one unit is matched by a ramp down on the adjacent one - however quite obviously a ordinary Mk1 coach (or the gangways within each unit) will be flat and as such if the RMB was inserted between units (as opposed to being added within a single unit) then the RMB will need a ramp fitted to overcome the height difference between it and the REP / VEP/ CIG / CEP / TC unit Edited February 18, 2023 by phil-b259 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I'll resist the temptation of adding the phot of 69337 I took at Paddock Wood this morning and just offer a triple bill of Raspberry Ripples : - Thornton Fields : 16/1/88 Stratford : 212/9/88 Oxford : 29/6/91 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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