WillCav Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hi all, I've just managed to get hold of a number of Cooper Craft W1/5 cattle truck kits. I'm planning to alter the ends, buffers and underframes to make some later W8 and W10 types. Does anyone know what the roofs were like? Did they have the metal bands or were they plain? Many thanks in advance Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5 (edited) 10 hours ago, WillCav said: Hi all, I've just managed to get hold of a number of Cooper Craft W1/5 cattle truck kits. I'm planning to alter the ends, buffers and underframes to make some later W8 and W10 types. Does anyone know what the roofs were like? Did they have the metal bands or were they plain? Many thanks in advance Will I think W8 and W10 were different. W10 had the higher pitched roof and I'm pretty sure no ribs. Photos on Flickr look plain. W8 is the one slaters make in 7mm which is shallower and theirs has ribs. Edit: ignore re W8, I've obviously got this wrong Edited January 6 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 W8 and W10 both have high (small radius) roofs. W1/W5 has a low (large radius) roof. The Slaters 7mm kit is a W1/W5. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I thought they were wooden battens and kept proud from the roofing material so the nails/screws didn't penetrate into an area where the animals were kept. Not to be confused with LMS and BR welding ribs. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 Thanks Hal, Miss P and Jason for your replies. I've had another look through my books and it looks like: W8 Lot L758 (100) - roof ribs visible and slots in end when built L859 (50) - ? L879 (300) - plain roofs in later photos and slots in ends removed L961 (150) - ? L980 (100) - ? W10 L922 (300 until 1939 then 170) - plain roofs Unfortunately, only one W8 survives and I think only the framing skeleton exists. No W10s were preserved but 130 were converted to Y10s and some bodies still exist - with plain roofs. Thanks Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, WillCav said: Unfortunately, only one W8 survives and I think only the framing skeleton exists. No W10s were preserved but 130 were converted to Y10s and some bodies still exist - with plain roofs. Probably explains why there are nowhere near as many images knocking about as you usually get! The acquired wagons of British Railways vol 4 shows W8 W68442 in the 50s with no ribs. Rest of my wagon specific books haven't got anything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Hal Nail said: Probably explains why there are nowhere near as many images knocking about as you usually get! The acquired wagons of British Railways vol 4 shows W8 W68442 in the 50s with no ribs. Rest of my wagon specific books haven't got anything. I've just had a look in Atkins Beard etc and it shows the W8s all being in the 26xxx, 103xxx and 106xxx ranges. 68442 appears in the earlier W5 list. I haven't got the book you mentioned, is the roof an earlier flatter profile or like a regular Mink? Thanks Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
41516 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WillCav said: is the roof an earlier flatter profile or like a regular Mink? The Morgan Design roof etch (availble through the Scalefour Society) includes a template for reshaping the Coopercraft ends to W1/5 profile with replacement strapping. Kit part on top of the template to show the difference in profiles (not lined up for where you would reshape). Edit - Don't forget the later types were also wider than W1/5 too Edited January 6 by 41516 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6 (edited) 30 minutes ago, WillCav said: is the roof an earlier flatter profile or like a regular Mink? it's definitely a later one, caption says W8 and has the higher roof and the diagonal framing on the two outside sections, rather than an X. I can't quite tell if there is a rain strip but definitely isn't ribbed. Occurs to me I went back to look up the number as an after thought and might have read it off the wrong caption as the pic above was a w5. I'll confirm later. Edited January 6 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 43 minutes ago, 41516 said: Don't forget the later types were also wider than W1/5 too I hadn't spotted that and I've converted a whole lot of W1/5 ends. I might have to forget that I know they're too narrow and hope the cows don't complain! Thanks Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I find the W diagrams in the bible a bit confusing for the widths, but I think the W1/W5 is 7'11" over stanchions, whereas the W8/W10 are 8'4" over stanchions. Is that right? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6 (edited) 18 hours ago, WillCav said: I've just had a look in Atkins Beard etc and it shows the W8s all being in the 26xxx, 103xxx and 106xxx ranges. 68442 appears in the earlier W5 list. I had read the wrong caption - its W106564 and says "taken in the early 1950s, is an ex GWR Diagram W8 8T vacuum braked...." curvy roof, looks completely smooth, 100% sure there are no ribs but cant tell if there are rain strips as the light is bouncing off it Edit - btw it has self contained buffers. Obviously dont know it they are original but something else to consider. Still has Dean brake gear though. Edited January 7 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 6 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Miss Prism said: I find the W diagrams in the bible a bit confusing for the widths, but I think the W1/W5 is 7'11" over stanchions, whereas the W8/W10 are 8'4" over stanchions. Is that right? Depends on the stanchion depth, Fig 394 shows the W5 as 7' 5" over sides. W8 (fig395) and W10 (fig396) are indeed shown as 8' 4" over stanchions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 2.75" stanchion depth is my usual approximate assumption, although there were variations in section. The lack of this information is why I find some of the bible's drawings a bit confusing. Edited January 6 by Miss Prism 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 (edited) Thanks to the new number from Hal, and adding detail from my books, we get the following. W8 Lot L758 26xxx + 26392-438 (100) 26001 (Atkins 567 and Russell GW Wagons Appendix 211) roof ribs visible and slots in end when built L859 26xxx + 26439-50 (50) No pictures found yet L879 103001-300 (300) 103141 (Russell GW Wagons 48) & 103168 (Russell GW Wagons Appendix 213) both plain roofs and slots in ends removed in later years L961 106301-450 (150) No pictures found yet L980 106551-600 (100) 106564 plain roof and no slots in the ends in later years W10 L922 106001-300 (300 until 1939 then 170) - 106026 (Atkins 568) plain roofs, no end slots when built. Unfortunately, the 130 converted to Y10 were seemingly random within the number series but Atkins has five Y10 numbers to avoid if you're modelling post 1939. Thanks Will Edited January 7 by WillCav Adding no slots detail to 106564 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 7 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7 6 hours ago, WillCav said: did it have slots in the end? No. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 57 minutes ago, Hal Nail said: No. Thanks - added to the list above Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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