Peterborough North

[mullie]

53 minutes ago, drmditch said:

 

As far as I know, Knaresborough is not and never has been on the ECML, lovely station though it is.

No not on the ECML but very nice and London trains do pass through it. Yes I know that is a very tenuous link. 

 

Our daughter lived in Harrogate for two years,  we love the area and had some good times there though a drive of around 8 hours to get there could be difficult,  we sometimes left around 4 in the morning. South London doesn't have the same appeal but is my old University stamping ground and only around 3 hours drive. 

 

Martyn 

Edited November 28, 2023 by mullie

[great northern]

10 hours ago, drmditch said:

 

As far as I know, Knaresborough is not and never has been on the ECML, lovely station though it is.

Well no, it isn't, but when Mullie mentioned it, quite a few posts ago, I sort of changed the rules a bit. I'm glad I did, as they are lovely photos. In fact I shall shortly change the rules even more.

 

[great northern]

Just one more look at the 9F before it goes out of sight.

Not a great choice of angle when there is no crew aboard.

 

Attention then switches to the other end, to see Diamond Jubilee passing the WD.

[trw1089]

Just over 10 years ago when I was working in the UK I managed to stop in at Wakefield Westgate before the most recent incarnation of the station was started.  It was much changed on the city side, but much of the old station remained on the brewery side.  Much photography was undertaken to capture as much as I could.  Unfortunately, much more of this history has gone.

[great northern]

On goes 60046, while the WD just stands.

Even when the express has gone, an 02 with more coal for Ferme Park is given precedence.

[great northern]

The 02 carries on through, while in the bay there is activity, as departure time is close. 

Green Arrow brings a KX-Doncaster ECS into Platform 6, where it will wait a while as stock is removed, and added.

[Tony Wright]

Good morning Gilbert,

 

ECML locations?

 

 

Little Bytham in the summer of 1958, as 60158 ABERDONIAN heads north on a Down express (note the leading brake 'turned-round' - quite common at the time). 

 

 

65 years later, and things are rather different! 

 

It was impossible for me to get exactly the same angle because of rampant Mother Nature over the years.

 

Say what one likes, railways were much more-interesting when we were trainspotters. 

 

Graham Nicholas tells me he's building more signals for you.

 

 

This any use?

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

Also in 1958...........

 

 

Rather different from today? 

 

Please observe copyright restrictions on this image. 

[LNER4479]

7 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Graham Nicholas tells me he's building more signals for you.

 

Two more replacements to complete the work at the north end, Tony.

 

However, the signal you feature (south end of the excursion platform) already exists and is with me for re-working for operation with servos. We were pondering as to whether those distants were fixed or not. Your picture indeed useful in figuring out how it all worked!

 

[great northern]

A longer view shows the ECS has arrived at Platform 6, but the B1 is still not quite ready to depart from Platform 4.

On the Up, the Elizabethan approaches.

[great northern]

More Elizabethan, but why not, East Coast royalty, isn't it?

[great northern]

On 30/11/2023 at 17:51, Tony Wright said:

Also in 1958...........

 

 

Rather different from today? 

 

Please observe copyright restrictions on this image. 

Platform furniture gone, and platform? Also signal box and Tranship shed, plus signals.  Not forgetting the loading dock, now car park. I don't know about the trees on the right. They'd be very big now, if still there. Just the bridge remains then, and painted blue, of course.

 

I reckon I could recreate that train more or less exactly, but you'd have to identify some of the coaches at the rear for me.

[Tony Wright]

2 hours ago, great northern said:

Platform furniture gone, and platform? Also signal box and Tranship shed, plus signals.  Not forgetting the loading dock, now car park. I don't know about the trees on the right. They'd be very big now, if still there. Just the bridge remains then, and painted blue, of course.

 

I reckon I could recreate that train more or less exactly, but you'd have to identify some of the coaches at the rear for me.

Good evening Gilbert,

 

I think the most-interesting coach in the rake is the third one - a Thompson pressure-ventilated FK (perhaps with a ladies' retiring room?). By 1958, most such cars were in maroon, running in 'The Elizabethans', so this one must be from a spare set. The second car looks to be a standard Thompson TK (note the exposed solebar). 

 

I've got a spare Thompson PV car like the one just mentioned, in carmine/cream, and I've made up a very similar train, with it in it, including a catering car of some description (the ninth car).  Without doubt a summer Saturday working? To Skegness? 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[great northern]

9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Gilbert,

 

I think the most-interesting coach in the rake is the third one - a Thompson pressure-ventilated FK (perhaps with a ladies' retiring room?). By 1958, most such cars were in maroon, running in 'The Elizabethans', so this one must be from a spare set. The second car looks to be a standard Thompson TK (note the exposed solebar). 

 

I've got a spare Thompson PV car like the one just mentioned, in carmine/cream, and I've made up a very similar train, with it in it, including a catering car of some description (the ninth car).  Without doubt a summer Saturday working? To Skegness? 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Definitely Saturday, as the caption says 19/7/58, could be a Skegness, but possibly also a Grimsby or Cleethorpes, as there were several of those too. Very few of the Skegness trains had an FK, in fact having looked at the CWN the only one I can find is a Skegness to Hertford N/ Hitchin, which specifies a Thompson FK in the Hitchin portion. The Down train left Kings Cross at 9.10 am. The shadows would be right for that. The Cleethorpes trains had some, but they were the regular weekday fixed sets.

[great northern]

Two more of the Elizabethan, still from on high, then we will return to more mundane subjects.

 

[great northern]

The B1 finally gets to start its trip to Grimsby.

The WD, of course, can only watch. Well, it can't , but the crew can. Mind you, they are probably too busy calculating their overtime.

 

What these images do show is the difficulty of getting a backscene to look right from all angles and heights. The way I planned this came out well from most angles, but on this one the far building is all too obviously low relief. One can't have everything.

[great northern]

Something a bit different this snowy morning, Station Road from above.

 

[great northern]

Finally the flag waves, the whistle shrills, and the 3pm to Grimsby starts away.

 

[trw1089]

Station Road really looks the part now, though its obvious that Clive hasn't visited for a while with that view of Crescent Bridge sans omnibus...

[great northern]

The 1.45 KX-Newcastle brings 60514, and a rare chance to see a New England A2/3 almost in the condition in which it recently left the paint shop.

An arrival from Grimsby has followed the Elizabethan in from Werrington Junction. Monday to Thursday it would terminate here, but on Fridays it is extended to KX, and with an augmented formation, which will form a Saturday morning Skegness service from the Cross.

[great northern]

11 hours ago, trw1089 said:

Station Road really looks the part now, though its obvious that Clive hasn't visited for a while with that view of Crescent Bridge sans omnibus...

They don't stay there for long Tony, and his excuses for popping upstairs on his own are wearing very thin now.

[Oldddudders]

58 minutes ago, great northern said:

They don't stay there for long Tony, and his excuses for popping upstairs on his own are wearing very thin now.

Presumably any such bus is confiscated? He'll run out eventually. 

[Mallard60022]

On 30/11/2023 at 17:51, Tony Wright said:

Also in 1958...........

 

 

Rather different from today? 

Please observe copyright restrictions on this image. 

That photo is going to be very useful in any attempt to create, (not using parts of this photo of course), that scenic back-sheet, for views through/under the Bridge Gilbert. Especially that on the right; easy peasy as they say in the Navy. Mostly Sky beyond the Box and what looks like more Trees? I know your curve is tighter but that view does create a look of depth/distance. 

Phik

[great northern]

7 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

Presumably any such bus is confiscated? He'll run out eventually. 

Unfortunately Ian I have several lying about, and he has found out where they are. I try to hide them more thoroughly, but still he finds them. I'll win that battle eventually, but I suspect he may have several million at home, which he can conceal about his person when he visits. I have googled bus detector, but with no success.

[Clive Mortimore]

12 hours ago, trw1089 said:

Station Road really looks the part now, though its obvious that Clive hasn't visited for a while with that view of Crescent Bridge sans omnibus...

Unless I get banned from the next gang visit you wish will come true.

23 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

Presumably any such bus is confiscated? He'll run out eventually. 

Name the bus company I might have one in that livery. A Wigan Corporation PD2?