RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted April 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5 BBC reporting a derailment, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68738960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5 This section of railway has more trains than ever before - and seems to suffer more incidents, too. The same customers suffering again today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5 (edited) Traksy shows services up and running, some late, obviously not that serious, nothing oou. Delays show 10-15 mins mostly, a few upto 30 which isnt that unusual, certainly on Southern those delays dont get any attention from the media. Maybe a BBC staffer was late for work and short of a story. Edited April 5 by adb968008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 "... three wheels of the locomotive came off the tracks" ........... intriguing ! - or do they mean three axles ? ( a journalist wouldn't know the difference ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Spooky - only read this the other night at work 😬 https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoE_Ealing1973.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Just after 6 this morning it was chaos at Acton Main Line with various Crossrail trains stacked up on the Relief lines. Advice was to go to Ealing and come back, I ignored that when I saw a late running class 9 ex Heathrow crossing over at Acton west on the maps, lo and behold it got me to Padd. What would have been the 06.10 from Acton ex Heathrow was stuck at Hanwell, and the GB train was sat in West Ealing loop as I overtook it about 5.45. Travelling home on an IET, the lead bogie of the loco was clearly in the dirt. Edit to add, the BBC article now has pictures of it. They didn't earlier. Jo Edited April 5 by Steadfast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Looks like a fairly benign one. Has anyone seen Big Jim today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Who are "National Rail" the Beeb refer to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 This lot probably : - https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/west-ealing-20240405 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted April 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5 There appears to be a trap point on the end of the loop in satellite views of the area, so presumably the loco ran through that and derailed? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 31 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: There appears to be a trap point on the end of the loop in satellite views of the area, so presumably the loco ran through that and derailed? Correct. GPL to exit the No. 1 Loop line, with a main aspect signal (plus the protecting point the loco derailed on) not far after. Jo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Oh dear. Someone's going to be invited for tea and biscuits with the guv'nor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, rogerzilla said: Oh dear. Someone's going to be invited for tea and biscuits with the guv'nor. And then asked, after completing the paperwork of course, whether they might like a glowing reference..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 There seemed to be a lot of rain around London last night so wonder if that would have had an impact? cheers Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 (edited) 16 hours ago, Flying Pig said: There appears to be a trap point on the end of the loop in satellite views of the area, so presumably the loco ran through that and derailed? Yup The train SPADed the signal and the trap point did its job by derailing the loco away from the running lines. The main issue is that because the train was carrying aviation fuel tankers it was classed as carrying 'dangerous goods' and as such extra checks had to be carried out to make sure there was no damage to the wagons before adjacent lines could be re-opened. Edited April 6 by phil-b259 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 (edited) 8 hours ago, Craig1989 said: There seemed to be a lot of rain around London last night so wonder if that would have had an impact? Nope. It was just a bog standard SPAD.... Edited April 6 by phil-b259 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 Is there a TPWS train stop at the signal, or does the trap replace that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: Is there a TPWS train stop at the signal, or does the trap replace that? TPWS does not suspend the laws of physics! It takes time for the brakes on any train to apply and even longer for them to actually brig the train to a halt. As such a trap point is still an essential tool as that physically guarantees the train will be diverted away from adjacent lines if a SPAD occurs, particularly if the associated signal has no overlap (and thus no distance for the brake application to take effect) - as is usually the case with loops and sidings. Edited April 6 by phil-b259 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: TPWS does not suspend the laws of physics! For goodness' sake calm down. I asked whether there was TPWS at the signal, not whether TPWS renders the trap unnecessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: For goodness' sake calm down. I asked whether there was TPWS at the signal, not whether TPWS renders the trap unnecessary. My Apologies, I believe there is. However the short distance between the signal and the trap point means the train wouldn't have had to be going that fast for it to still come off the rails at the trap. (It was just the leading bogie of the loco which ended up in the dirt by the way). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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