Class 40/44/45/46 on secondary/tertiary services?

[The Stationmaster]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ivo Peters was on hand to record it's presence at Whatley Mike, he kept his ear tuned to the railway grapevine long after his beloved S&D was closed and lifted. From about 1968-76 he photographed quite a few rare workings on the Western, including the first Peak (165 I think, off the top of my head) to work into the new layout at Merehead for clearance tests.

 

Nidge

 

Nidge, I think it was bit early in the morning for Ivo and I was definitely the only person who took any photos of it coming out of the final bit of tunnel (as there was only safe room for one person to stand in a position where it was possible to get a pic of it )). However he might, I think, have turned up on the overbridge near the quarry entrance before we packed up for the day (and don't ask anything about a certain Class 47 which appeared one one of his book covers displaying 1V0. at a time when it was near impossible to find a loco with working indicator blinds ).

[DerekEm8]

Class 40s regular performers on freight on the trans pennine routes in the 1980s

 

40077 Skipton 1980

 

40192 York 1981

 

40084 Diggle 1981

 

40001 Guide Bridge 1983

 

45/0 were used on freight in the North West and the South West (and probably in between)

 

45050 Man Vic 1983

 

45037 Man Vic 1986

 

45002 Teignmouth 1984

 

45069 Teignmouth 1985

 

45/1 were rare on freights in the North West

 

45140 Man Vic 1984

 

46's were also rare on freight in the North West

 

46032 Guide Bridge 1982

[Rugd1022]

Nidge, I think it was bit early in the morning for Ivo and I was definitely the only person who took any photos of it coming out of the final bit of tunnel (as there was only safe room for one person to stand in a position where it was possible to get a pic of it )). However he might, I think, have turned up on the overbridge near the quarry entrance before we packed up for the day (and don't ask anything about a certain Class 47 which appeared one one of his book covers displaying 1V0. at a time when it was near impossible to find a loco with working indicator blinds ).

 

Cheers Mike, funnily enough I've got the very book you refer to on the desk beside the pc! Bit of an old favourite, always worth a dip into for some sunny Western Region inspiration B)

 

Peaks again then..... in the early 80s the Bescot-Northampton tripper was rostered for a pair of 20s but occasionally threw up a 45 or a 46, the load often varied in length but I saw a 45 on the return working oneafternoon at Rugby in Decemebr '82, hauling a coal hopper (one of the old HEA's I think it was) and a pair of Speedlink vans.

 

Nidge

[Guest Phil]

Staple work (in the West Midlands) for the class 40s were oil trains from Stanlow, cement from Penyffordd and Earles and some local freight.

 

Some interesting pics in this collection of 40s and peaks in the West Midlands, including this very typical shot of the era ;

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/Tim7099/RailwayPhotographs#5291988503892743314

[griffgriff]

I'd be very interested to see those ER diagrams from the sixties. Although the fill-in turns such as this one, no doubt courtesy of Edinburgh Control, may well be absent:

 

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=29735

 

I shall try my best but I have been looking for them for quite a bit (I'm sporadically untidy and occasionally a serial hoarder) ... I was wanting to see if there was any information on Sheffield to London KX workings a while back - I seem to remember a 40 (sorry EE Type 4) working North to Sheffield and then tottering south on the GC to earn its keep while waiting for a departure south on the ECML later in the day - I was wondering if this was true and if it was how far it got?

[DaveF]

There are a few photos on reasonably mundane workings in my RM Web gallery: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?app=gallery&module=user&user=5613&do=view_album&album=99&sort_key=idate&order_key=DESC&prune_key=*&st=0

 

There are also some in my fotopic galleries - see the links in my signature.

 

David

[Pennine MC]

... I was wanting to see if there was any information on Sheffield to London KX workings a while back - I seem to remember a 40 (sorry EE Type 4) working North to Sheffield and then tottering south on the GC to earn its keep while waiting for a departure south on the ECML later in the day - I was wondering if this was true and if it was how far it got?

 

Cant quote sources to verify that G, but I'm sure it's right - the Sheffield Pullmans seemed to provide outings for most new ER diesels and I'm pretty sure I've seen a pic of one of the Pilot Scheme 40s on the GC between Sheffield and Nottingham. In fact ISTR it was recently, but dont ask me where

[great central]

Cant quote sources to verify that G, but I'm sure it's right - the Sheffield Pullmans seemed to provide outings for most new ER diesels and I'm pretty sure I've seen a pic of one of the Pilot Scheme 40s on the GC between Sheffield and Nottingham. In fact ISTR it was recently, but dont ask me where

I've seen pictures as well, I seem to recall it being mentioned as a Sunday Sheffield Vic-Nottingham Vic, the locos being one of the first ten, so possibly off the Harwich boat train on Saturday? They were based in East Anglia then weren't they? On holiday at the moment so unable to dive through my books to verify.

Also my last haulage by a peak was 45141 standing in for a failed sprinter on a Nottingham-Leeds service, no real idea of the date, but possibly Easter 88-89? May have been on my way to York. It seemed rather sluggish, in total contrast to the previous occasion I had it on a Nottingham-St Pancras, I think the last diagram to go over to HSTs, when I timed it very close to 100mph!

[dibber25]

A Class 40 was recorded - once - on the Ripple Lane (Thames Haven)- Staines West tanks (central heating fuel). It should have come off at Acton Yard and been replaced by a Class 22 or 35 but it didn't and it worked right through down the branch to Staines West. On other occasions a Warship and a Western also worked through.

CHRIS LEIGH

[Bernard Lamb]

I don't think this use has been mentioned.

Several 40s were used on the line to the MOD site at Warcop.

They would be used for shunting the sidings as well as bringing in or taking out armoured vehicles on Warwells or Warflats.

Bernard

[Carnforth]

Mornin'

At least one 40, 40074 hauled ICI ammonia tanks out of Heysham moss sidings to Havertonhill, 6E91.As in DerekEm8's pic. Not sure of the year.

Pic copyright Peter Cooper.

Steve

[The Stationmaster]

Cant quote sources to verify that G, but I'm sure it's right - the Sheffield Pullmans seemed to provide outings for most new ER diesels and I'm pretty sure I've seen a pic of one of the Pilot Scheme 40s on the GC between Sheffield and Nottingham. In fact ISTR it was recently, but dont ask me where

 

I actually travelled over a goodly part of the GC behind an EE Type 4 but it was substituted at Leicester for a Woodford Black 5 (which had in turn replaced a failed 'Scot' at Woodford) on the midnight Marylebone - Manchester sleeper/day coach train. Truly one of my more disappointing railway experiences as the b!*$*!d diesel worked right through to Manchester Piccadilly meaning my only trip ever over Woodhead was behind a diesel

[griffgriff]

Cant quote sources to verify that G, but I'm sure it's right - the Sheffield Pullmans seemed to provide outings for most new ER diesels and I'm pretty sure I've seen a pic of one of the Pilot Scheme 40s on the GC between Sheffield and Nottingham. In fact ISTR it was recently, but dont ask me where

 

I was wondering if it might of been the down Master Cutler... but I thought it too fantastic to speculate ... but like I said earlier in the piece - Type 4's were intended as mixed traffic locos.

[P.C.M]

Great thread this, but then I do like Peaks.

 

Here is 45026 shunting at Eastleigh, Peaks were quite common on the Severn Tunnel - Eastleigh Speedlink and return during the 80s.

 

Cheers Peter.

[30851]

When the first five EE Type 4's were introduced on the Great Northern in 1958 one of the services to be taken over was the new Master Cutler pullman from Kings Cross to Sheffield. During the weekdays the one off the last pullman to Sheffield would take a freight to and from Annesley every night before the morning Cutler. On Saturday (when the Cutler did not run) it did the following

 

4:20 Sheffield - Doncaster

6:00 Doncaster - Hull

9:24 Hull - Sheffield

12:02 Sheffield - Leicester (I think this is the York Bournemouth)

14:23 Leicester - Sheffield (I think this is the 12:15 Marylebone - Manchester)

18:10 Sheffield - York

 

On Sunday it stayed on the ECML.

 

I don't know how long this diagram stayed in place - not long I would guess.

 

Later on EE Type 4's were common on the GC at night (hence never photographed) - these being Midland Region units of course.

 

Rob

[coachmann]

Great thread this, but then I do like Peaks.

Same here. I have a photo somewhere of the one that took me from Manchester Central to St.Pancras in 1960. It looked hellish smart too. We need a thread called 'Peak Practice'....

[griffgriff]

When the first five EE Type 4's were introduced on the Great Northern in 1958 one of the services to be taken over was the new Master Cutler pullman from Kings Cross to Sheffield. During the weekdays the one off the last pullman to Sheffield would take a freight to and from Annesley every night before the morning Cutler. On Saturday (when the Cutler did not run) it did the following

 

4:20 Sheffield - Doncaster

6:00 Doncaster - Hull

9:24 Hull - Sheffield

12:02 Sheffield - Leicester (I think this is the York Bournemouth)

14:23 Leicester - Sheffield (I think this is the 12:15 Marylebone - Manchester)

18:10 Sheffield - York

 

On Sunday it stayed on the ECML.

 

I don't know how long this diagram stayed in place - not long I would guess.

 

Later on EE Type 4's were common on the GC at night (hence never photographed) - these being Midland Region units of course.

 

Rob

 

12:02 Sheffield to Leicester and 14:23 return... very interesting. Many thanks for sharing

[Fat Controller]

Is this 'secondary' enough? A Peak on the Roskear branch, which served the Compair works near Cambourne in Cornwall:-

http://andy-kirkham.fotopic.net/p56317989.html

[keefer]

don't know if they count a secondary, in that they'd be primary internal workings, but 40s were used extensively on the glasgow QS/edinburgh - abredeen services throughout the 70s. (ISTR the edin-abdn ones often had an RMB behind the loco)

ferryhill depot was certainly no stranger to the 40s.

 

example photos at http://www.railbrit.co.uk/location.php?loc=Aberdeen%20Railway

 

headcodes 1Txx abdn-gla, 1Oxx gla-abdn, 1Axx edin-abdn, 1Gxx abdn-edin.

 

during the deltic heydays, there would be ECML workings i.e. 1Exx and 1Sxx, presumably abdn-KX services where the deltic would takeover/drop off at waverley?

in a few of the phots, there are cl.47s on these services too

 

totally separate from this, i recall a freight working in the NW of england somewhere, early 80s, chemical tanks possibly, which was diagrammed for a 40+25. maybe someone knows the one i mean, remember reading about it in 'modern railways pictorial', i get the impression it was a well-known working?

[40044]

totally separate from this, i recall a freight working in the NW of england somewhere, early 80s, chemical tanks possibly, which was diagrammed for a 40+25. maybe someone knows the one i mean, remember reading about it in 'modern railways pictorial', i get the impression it was a well-known working?

 

Ditton - Broughton Lane (Sheffield) BOC cryogenic tanks: http://richard181.fotopic.net/p60538868.html (not my pic)

[Del]

Can anyone assist with this question from another forum?

I want to find out what locomotive was pulling the London to Bradford parcel train on the 23rd November 1967 which passed through Leicester at about 23:50 ish? The headcode consisted of four panels which displayed 1N09

I assume this would be a 'Peak' working from St. Pancras?

[Baby Deltic]

Another turn which occasionally featured class 45's coming into Essex was the Mossend - Parkeston freight. I remember seeing class 40's creeping round the curve onto the Harwich branch occasionally too. I friend who worked in an office overlooking Colchester yard reported seeing the occasional Peak on shed or in the yard.

[StaffsOatcake]

40057 working the 8F21 Oakamoor-St Helens (Ravenhead Sidings) at Leek Brook Junction on 20/05/83. The 40's were not common at Leek Brook and I can only ever recall seeing and photographing 4 of them in my trips to the area. Two on the sand working and two on the Cauldon workings. I had an advantage if they went to Cauldon Low as my late father worked for Davies and Metcalfe at Leek Brook, and I would often get telephone calls at school asking if I could go to my nan's as she was ill. This was code for get yourself to Leek Brook something different has gone up to the quarry ie not 25 or 47. He was wrong one day though, as it was the first pair of 20's to visit the route good job nan was taken ill that day

[37114]

The links below show some shorter 40/45/46 parcel trains ideal for modellers:

 

http://neilharvey4789.fotopic.net/p38762836.html

 

http://propertrains.fotopic.net/p32994141.html

 

http://lickeyarchive.photobook.org.uk/p31033546.html

 

http://dave32b.fotopic.net/p25732440.html

 

 

 

 

[edward66]

When they were almost new a few class 40s appeared on the Little North Western line where I used to see them between Wennington and Lancaster. I believe class 45s also appeared. Has anyone got any record of which locos they were, probably Leeds based.

 

Edward