RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 I was through the mandatory education system before anyone seemed to have a first name. Staff were always "Sir" when addressed or "Mr [surname]" if being spoken of to a third party. Exceptions were the very few female staff who were addressed as "Miss" or "Ma'am" according to their preference and those who had attained the higher degree and were rightly referred to as "Dr." Students were always addressed by surname only unless in deep poo in which case they were chastised in front of the school at assembly with the command "Bend over, Master [surname]". Fifth- and sixth-formers were accorded the prefix "Mister". You got your six of the best and a bonus swish if you then failed to thank the headmaster for what you had just received. It was in many respects unduly harsh. But it encouraged respect and you knew your place in the pecking order even if that was tainted with a schoolboy's fear and hatred of certain staff. Upon leaving school and taking up a place at university just a few weeks later it came as a huge culture shock to not only address ones' lecturers by their first names but to be invited - nay encouraged - to socialise and drink with them after lectures. Certain high school staff were known to imbibe at lunch time and most smoked - even in the classroom in a couple of cases - but it was a real eye-opener to be suddenly treated as an equal and not just another surname in a lifetime's teaching. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Does giving someone a title really inspire respect? I mean proper respect, not just following a rule because you'll get punished if you don't? A lot of teachers need to think about that. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Does giving someone a title really inspire respect? I mean proper respect, not just following a rule because you'll get punished if you don't? A lot of teachers need to think about that. Does giving someone a title really inspire respect? I mean proper respect, not just following a rule because you'll get punished if you don't? A lot of teachers need to think about that.I think individual charisma comes in here. Some of us have it, lots of us don't. In my industry the new leaders in the late 80s were the Sector Directors. Chris Green at NSE was informal, encouraged us all to use his forename. I can't imagine Dr Prideaux at InterCity, nor John Edmonds at Provincial/Regional Railways entertaining that. I think in my Upper 6 year at skool we were probably on first-name terms with a couple of young male staff, and that begat nothing sinister, but nor did it enable more or less respect for them as teachers or as people. As I suspect I've mentioned before, one of my brothers was on particularly informal terms with his biology teacher when doing his S-level. Not so much laid-back as horizontal. Together. Teachers are people first and teachers second. 400 Facebook friends from former pupils says a great deal that is positive about you, but I wonder if all your colleagues have as many? Edited September 23, 2015 by Oldddudders 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium skipepsi Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 I draw the line at being called Mum see avatar. As far as the children I work with are concerned I am Mick Binns because that is what my badge says. In mainstream schools and special units I have always been Mr Binns but children always want to know your 'real' name and I don't have a problem them knowing it. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Abel Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 HUMP day on Long Island, and the first day of "fall" according to the morning news, sorry AUTUMN! <sigh> <mini Rant> I suppose if you have to butcher the English language, "fall" seems more appropriate as leaves fall from the trees. Heaven forbid we make full use of the wonderful English vocabulary. Yogi Berra (already noted by Pete), idiotic drug price increase (at least as of this morning the prat CEO has backed down on that, amazing what a groundswell of "you rat bastard" will do to change ones mind), and the US Papal visit, all on the early morning TV news. As a rule I never watch/listen to radio/TV news in the AM, EXCEPT, when out-of-town, when I have it on for background noise while I prepare for the day. Alarmingly, the Pope is scheduled to arrive at JFK tomorrow at 5PM - Our flight departs at 4:26 so whose going to bet on THAT being a bit of a cock-up/non-starter tomorrow?? Lovely morning here, 12 and sunny, driving in, expecting 23 later. To quote Yogi Berra "when you come to a fork in the road, take it" - enjoy your day everyone. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Shedman5 Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Afternoon, spent this morning sorting several areas of the garden under supervision and taking said trimmings etc to the tip. The sun has disappeared and its now a grey afternoon and the shed will be visited shortly. I recall reading the Eagle as a child along with the Beano, one called Dandy and then the Broons from The Sunday Post, likewise the annuals I had have disappeared over time sadly. I still have a full hardback set of the Just William books by Richmal Crompton,what a different world they portray now. Enjoy whats left of the day folks Alan 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Shedman5 Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Pete, Ive just looked at that thread, hmm already provoking different views, Im sure it wont turn nasty. Each to there own as they say. Alan Edited September 23, 2015 by Shedman5 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixoh8sixoh Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Afternoon all! I've been trying to keep up but lost the race over the last few days! The last 7 pages have defeated me so I may never know what transpired in the early stages of the week... I woke up on Monday morning in severe pain, with my neck bent to the right at a distinctly odd angle. I self medicated with ibuprofen, but after still being no(t much) better and experiencing really painful spasms, I had to do something about it. Getting an appointment at my surgery is about as likely as Sunderland winning the Premiership title this season, so I booked in for a half hour sports massage last night. This eased things an awful lot in my back and shoulder, and straightened my neck a touch (probably from a 10 degree lean to 5 degrees), and things seem to be generally improving today. I'm giving it heat every now and then too from a hot water bottle. This morning I was giving evidence to the Scottish Parliament's Local Government and Regeneration Committee. If anyone's sad enough to want to watch this it's available on the Parliament website! Strangely the back and shoulder eased off a lot after this had finished - probably pent-up stress about being a committee witness. It's an excruciating process, but unusually, the Convenor came and shook hands with all the witnesses before and after grilling us. I used to enjoy the Beano (though wasn't allowed it very often - Dad thought it inappropriate for me as it was below my reading age, and he didn't really approve of comic books!), and I did own a few Beano annuals and Bash Street Kids annuals. Almost there with getting our bit of legislation drafted too, it should be going out for consultation next Monday (touch wood). Tonight looks like being taken up with DIY for a friend of a friend. They've moved into a rented flat with some furnishings provided, but no curtain poles, so my drill, screwdriver and spirit level are required. It's a good job the back's improving as on Monday I could barely get my left arm above my head. Mustn't overdo things though. Hope everyone's well and enjoying the start of autumn! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Let me think about that............................................................ erm, no. A couple of people perhaps but overall, glad to be out of there. Quite possibly the worst, most dysfunctional, idiotic, cackhanded, politically inept, project I've ever had the displeasure of being stuck on. All run by a shite (the correct collective noun) of cockwombles. You clearly have not experienced some of the muppets that I had to suffer at a certain infamous nuclear establishment in Cumbria! It must be the most inefficient place ever. I have just come inside as the rain arrives, having cut the grass and picked a load of blackberries, to remember that Japan are playing Scotland today, so have settled down to watch that. Japan have also just scored a good try off a line out to lead. Can they repeat their heroics from the South Africa game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Quite tickled to see the Pope turn up at The White House in a Fiat 500 - with three huge men crammed in with him.......of course the Fiat was surrounded by the usual complement of gatling gun toting Chevy Suburbans in black (first time I’ve seen a black Fiat 500 too). Weather here delightful for Ian Abel. No rants from me. Best, Pete. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Nice to see someone using the same shelving system as I've used. The photo must have been taken on a very rare occasion though as in my experience shelves never stay empty for very long and you always end up succumbing to temptation and buying more books than you've got shelves for. Jamie You are of course absolutely right - these pics show the current state of 'the library' - which as you can see is basically a sort of corridor (to nowhere). It is in addition to two bookcases in the dining room, three in the study, one in our bedroom, several in the good Doctor's bedroom and a couple in laddo's room, and a couple of shelves of books plus a good few more for magazines up in the attic. However I am also receiving an ear bashing at increasing frequency about the need to move books of the sideboard, dining table and floor in the dining room. PS Various Beano etc annuals plus a long run of 'Tiger' (complete from Issue No.1) were sold a good while back - how do you think I paid for the shelves? 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Pete, Ive just looked at that thread, hmm already provoking different views, Im sure it wont turn nasty. Each to there own as they say. Alan It is interesting and long overdue... I think we have lost some talented modelers along the way that fully deserve to contribute to RMWeb. Best, Pete. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 You are of course absolutely right - these pics show the current state of 'the library' - which as you can see is basically a sort of corridor (to nowhere). It is in addition to two bookcases in the dining room, three in the study, one in our bedroom, several in the good Doctor's bedroom and a couple in laddo's room, and a couple of shelves of books plus a good few more for magazines up in the attic. However I am also receiving an ear bashing at increasing frequency about the need to move books of the sideboard, dining table and floor in the dining room. DSCF8737adj.jpg DSCF8738adj.jpg PS Various Beano etc annuals plus a long run of 'Tiger' (complete from Issue No.1) were sold a good while back - how do you think I paid for the shelves? I htought that I had al ot of books! i like your test track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Does giving someone a title really inspire respect? I mean proper respect, not just following a rule because you'll get punished if you don't? A lot of teachers need to think about that.At the sixth form college late 1990s. Students, ”Tony, your initials are APS, would you prefer us to call you Anthony?" Me,"Only my mother calls me Anthony" Students, "OK Tone!". This had started as a student had reacted badly to someone shortening his name to Tony. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Seems like a fashion over here to pronounce the name An-Tho-nee. Makes the speaker sound like he has a lisp. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 ... 400 Facebook friends from former pupils says a great deal that is positive about you, but I wonder if all your colleagues have as many? Two, probably says a lot about me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Two, probably says a lot about me! The fact that I am not on facebook probably says even more about me. I imagine it's difficult, nay impossible, to lurk on facebook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Seems like a fashion over here to pronounce the name An-Tho-nee. Makes the speaker sound like he has a lisp. Best, Pete. What's wrong with that pronunciation? (Serious question). I've always pronounced it like that (maybe An-Tho-Nay), and no Anthonys I've known have objected. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 I have been called various names - my sister calls me "bu&&erlugs" or "Barr" for some reason but my mates call me Baz - despite my mother giving me the name Barry as it couldn't be shortened! As umpires we react to what the captains would like us - some call me sir, umpire, Baz and one saffa calls me Umpi(!). In turn I ask the players - a lot of whom like to be called by either their first name or their nickname. In junior matches its always batsman/batter, bowler or captain. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) I htought that I had al ot of books! i like your test track That's 'memory track' - to remind me what life ought to be about The test track is actually something we put together for the good Doctor's A Level science experiment - it's even Code 100 BTW they're not all mine, some belong to Mrs Stationmaster. Edited September 23, 2015 by The Stationmaster 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 Does giving someone a title really inspire respect? I mean proper respect, not just following a rule because you'll get punished if you don't? A lot of teachers need to think about that. Such as MP's being addressed as 'Right Honourable'. I won't make any remarks about pigs however. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 Some have different ways of earning respect. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Afternoon all. Plain old Mister here and the only letters I ever had after my name were LBW, regularly in fact. Talking to my son-in-law who works in the local A&E he said they were so busy over the weekend they had to close for some time. Nobody told the ambulance service though with the result that patients were sometimes on trolleys waiting to be seen. No doubt this will result in a fine for not meeting targets. I don't want to get political but if hospitals don't have the money to provide all the services they have to how does taking more money from them help? Stay safe all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 There were two other Anthonys in my class at secondary school. All three of us had the h in our names pronounced, like Anth on ee I suppose. The "th" sound in South Essex would I suppose be more like an "eff" though. Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 What's wrong with that pronunciation? (Serious question). I've always pronounced it like that (maybe An-Tho-Nay), and no Anthonys I've known have objected. Simple. It is not English. The name Anthony comes from the Italian peninsula where it is Antonio (and similar). The H was added in English centuries ago but it was always meant to be silent. I have a silent W in my name, I could I suppose pronounce it as it is in German but I’m not from Germany. Many other languages use the H in Anthony. I’m not going to argue about it, if you disagree look it up. Best, Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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