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2 hours ago, Grizz said:

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Yeah my earlier point was that Danes, Swedes and Norwegians refer to themselves Scandinavians. They generally seem quite happy with that term. Our family refers to itself as Danish or Danes and collectively with Sweden and Norway as Scandinavian. So why has this Nordic term recently showed up, especially on BBC stuff? 

Because the BBC article you quoted was about Sweden and Finland. I suspect that many news articles recently will have used Nordic as Finland has been involved , like Nato or border closing by Norway and Finland.

 

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I have been to all the Scandinavian countries for holidays. I haven’t visited any of the non Scandinavian Nordic countries so far. First one will be this summer when we go to Iceland. We have flown over Greenland but that doesn’t count. I have seen the ferry from Helsinki arrive in Tallinn but that doesn’t count either! My son was in Helsinki at a conference and was waiting for a “special “ Russian visa to go  to a meeting  afterward in Kalingrad. As it turned up late he had already decided to go for a holiday in Estonia instead and used the ferry and returned to Helsinki to fly home.  Back then there were lots of Russians shopping in Finland. They could travel visa free. Rather different now the border is closed. 

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I guess it is ingrained from the DK view point that Scandinavia is the term used. It is the Crown countries with arguably the closest shared intertwined histories that refer to themselves as Scandinavian. 
 

I’ve also been to Norway, Sweden and Finland over the years. There are definitely closer similarities to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. But I would say generally not so much Finland. Perhaps it is fair to say that there might be some obvious similarities to the parts of North Norway, North Sweden and Finland where the three countries share land borders. 
 

Several years back we had an amazing adventure up there. We took snowmobiles out in a blizzard across the frozen lake where the three land borders meet. Brilliant fun blasting along, sock out, -20c. Happy days. I’ve yet to go to Iceland or Greenland. 

In the meantime the snow is getting deeper and blowing all over the place in Nordjlland. 
 

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Finland is very different from Denmark, Sweden and Norway (well, apart from the Swedish speaking bits). I find the attitudes between the other three share something in common with those between English, Scots and Welsh people but the Finns are outside that. I like Finland, on the surface the people can look miserable but they often have a very dry sense of humour which is great. Home of one of the world's most successful large engine builders (Wartsila).

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11 minutes ago, skipepsi said:

I had ablack beard like that then I married it is white now...

Sunbleached. As I say of mine. 

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2 minutes ago, Tony_S said:

I took a photo of one in York recently.

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Mmmmm…..He doesn’t look very happy. In fact he looks like he is deep in thought or possibly concentrating….perhaps that wicker effort is the Viking privy? He appears to be holding on for dear life…..probably some ‘well seasoned’ slightly gone off fish left over from the ‘Away Day to Yorvik’…..

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Just got this belated Christmas present from our friends, who live a couple of villages away. 

This is a thing….wood cutting the Scandinavian way, in this case Norwegian. I’ve done years of this, if I added it all up. I find that a good steady supply of Øl is the key…lots of it is better. It is definitely a thing though. Generally I think it is a bit like the need for most men, at some point in their life, to own a shed. It could be said to be therapeutic, especially when couple with Øl.

 

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4 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

There appears to be an effort to remove the "Dark Ages" label. Despite illuminated manuscripts the relative paucity of written records doesn't make them 'dark'.

 

Wikipedia says this on "Medieval"

Or if you prefer - "post classical".

I watched "Digging for Britain" on BBC2 earlier this evening. On there they described "Early Medieval" as from 410 to 1066. The term "Dark Ages" was coined by the early Christians because the period in question was largely none Christian. However as shown in the program where a cemetary contained both Pagan and Christian burials the term Dark Ages would be inappropriate.

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22 minutes ago, Grizz said:


Mmmmm…..He doesn’t look very happy. In fact he looks like he is deep in thought or possibly concentrating….perhaps that wicker effort is the Viking privy? He appears to be holding on for dear life…..probably some ‘well seasoned’ slightly gone off fish left over from the ‘Away Day to Yorvik’…..

Definitely the privy. Moss was handy. I think when the  Jorvik museum first opened it had suitable smells. I didn’t notice. There was some of the evidence on display to show that the Viking diet probably caused some discomfort. The coprolite had its own Wikipedia page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyds_Bank_coprolite

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Evening all from Estuary-Land. Dinner tonight was liver and bacon, with mash and onion gravy of course. The dessert was the remains of the stollen cake. I will have to venture out tomorrow for more supplies, the usual bread, milk and eggs and some dinners for the rest of the week.

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When thinking of the dark ages or early medieval period many European people tend to ignore (or are unaware) that it was the golden age of Islam and a period of Great learning in the Islamic world, that the Eastern Roman empire continued and that many cultures outside Europe were thriving (the Tang dynasty period was a great era for arts and learning in China for example).

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1 hour ago, Tony_S said:

Definitely the privy. Moss was handy. I think when the  Jorvik museum first opened it had suitable smells. I didn’t notice. There was some of the evidence on display to show that the Viking diet probably caused some discomfort. The coprolite had its own Wikipedia page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyds_Bank_coprolite

Tony

 

 

The "Lloyds Bank" coprolite.

 

A remarkably well named piece of sh*t!

 

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I (finally) caught up with an earlier Digging for Britain this evening - apart from the (sensible, IMHO) change to the terminology (you mean our knowledge of the past has increased in the last 60+ years ? - who would have thought it!) I was surprised to find out that the normans conquered Cumbria under William II - I'd never thought about when that was incorporated into England - I knew it was separate several hundred years before that, but I guess I'd never thought about what happened to it in the intervening period, and had assumed that saxons or vikings from the East coast had overrun it.

 

Truly, my knowledge of history is not as comprehensive as I would like.

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