Trains4U Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 If it is anything like Heljans other locos, it should have no problems dragging 15 or so Bachmann GUVs... I'm looking forward to a nice late 80's refurb in Royal Mail red, with stripy doors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's nice and heavy so should pull more than enough vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 If it is anything like Heljans other locos, it should have no problems dragging 15 or so Bachmann GUVs... I'm looking forward to a nice late 80's refurb in Royal Mail red, with stripy doors. I saw W55992 at Slough ex-works in red (a complete surprise) and then chased it all the way to Reading in order to take photos. My Craftsman kit is painted in the red. I have a QKits/Lima in green, too. Both those might go on ebay..... Perhaps someone can tell us what the load limit was for one of these. I've a suspicion it was only about 2bogie vans/4 four-wheelers. Certainly wasn't a huge amount. Sometimes might run coupled to a DMS from a 117 etc to give extra capacity and a bit more grunt for haulage. Could also stand in for one of the converted cars on the Southall-Bristol railair link job and that would probably have been their longest run. CHRIS LEIGH I'm sure it will pull well. Heljan mechanisms are nice and heavy. Had 12 bogies behind an EM2 earlier in the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2013 Perhaps someone can tell us what the load limit was for one of these. I've a suspicion it was only about 2bogie vans/4 four-wheelers. Certainly wasn't a huge amount. Sometimes might run coupled to a DMS from a 117 etc to give extra capacity and a bit more grunt for haulage. Could also stand in for one of the converted cars on the Southall-Bristol railair link job and that would probably have been their longest run. CHRIS LEIGH Right - nice and simple(ish). On the WR a single DPU with both engines working was permitted a gross trailing weight (i.e. weight of vehicle plus the loads it/they were carrying) not exceeding 64 tons on gradients not steeper than 1 in 40. If one engine was isolated the tail traffic was allowed to be conveyed as far as a suitable point for detaching provided no gradient steeper than 1 in 80 was encountered. A DPU +DMU power car formation were permitted a maximum gross trailing load of 160 tons with all engines working but this was subject to special (i.e. slower than normal) timings (although not given I presume the normal loading to run in standard DMU timings would be the sum of the two trailing loads - i.e. 64 tons for the DPU and 35 tons for the DMU power car). To calculate the gross weight of parcels vans the tare weight was added to a tabular figure which gave a load in tons for various contents - for example a load of loaded BRUTES in an 8 wheel van was reckoned as 8 tons (5 tons in a 4 wheeler) while a load of empty BRUTES in an 8 wheeler was reckoned as 3 tons (2 tons for a 4 wheeler). A loose stowed 8 wheeler was reckoned to have a load of5 tons and a 4 wheeler3 tons while a 'Fish Van' was also reckoned as having a load converted of 3 tons. Now all I need to do is find my transparency of a DPU in green in its very early days at Reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's nice and heavy so should pull more than enough vans. Does that mean it had the standard Heljan style massive cast chassis? Ergo no use for any other DMU's that are open? Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Class 128 with trailing load ( 2 GUVs ) 55990 Man Vic 5th September 1981 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Class 128 with trailing load ( 2 GUVs ) 55990 Man Vic 5th September 1981 55990 MV 050981.jpg A sight I remember well from the early 70's along with the class 50 on the Glasgow/Edinburgh, 46's on the Newcastles, 40s in abundance as well as the 24 & 25 (Rats) and the occasional 47 If you timed it right at Piccadilly there was the 37 on the Harwich boat train and the 45 on the St Pancras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 A sight I remember well from the early 70's along with the class 50 on the Glasgow/Edinburgh, 46's on the Newcastles, 40s in abundance as well as the 24 & 25 (Rats) and the occasional 47 If you timed it right at Piccadilly there was the 37 on the Harwich boat train and the 45 on the St Pancras. Sigh, it was a different world back then, wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sigh, it was a different world back then, wasn't it? Proper trains, Loco hauled Steam or Diesel at least we have the East lancs railway nearby offering the best of both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Afraid was too young to see the 50s at Victoria but did see the Class 128 frequently normally under the roof where the trams now rum. Did see lots of 45 and 46's on the trans pennine trains and the occasional Deltic. First and only Deltic haulage was in them days up Miles Platting to Staylebridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 A 40 on a Newcastle with 12 on from a standing start at Victoria a wonderful sound, the climb from Stalybridge to Diggle round all those bends and to be in the first coach (windows open) as it was doing 90 on the stretch after York also a great sounds. From memory the day out on a Saturday used to be DMU Moston - Victoria passing Newton Heath, Victoria to Newcastle arriving about 12.00, visit a couple of sheds in the area back to Newcastle returning on a Liverpool about 5.00 pm, good days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 A 40 on a Newcastle with 12 on from a standing start at Victoria a wonderful sound, the climb from Stalybridge to Diggle round all those bends and to be in the first coach (windows open) as it was doing 90 on the stretch after York also a great sounds. Stop it, please! This is all torture... :-) I'm sure Model Engineer had plans in it for a working Tardis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Stop it, please! This is all torture... :-) I'm sure Model Engineer had plans in it for a working Tardis. Visit the East lancashire Rly and hear the sounds on a regular basis then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Visit the East lancashire Rly and hear the sounds on a regular basis then For reasons I won't go into, I can't travel often, and when I can, I can't travel far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 My interest in these DPUs stems from their use on the Cambrian. Apart from dragging ballast wagons around, they worked to and from Newtown to pick up home shopping parcels from the Royal Welsh Warehouse. They worked in from Shrewsbury and were timed to only have a 10 minute layover in Newtown to load the parcels. I can just imagine the frantic scenes as parcels were just flung in through the open doors on the DPU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 My interest in these DPUs stems from their use on the Cambrian. Apart from dragging ballast wagons around, they worked to and from Newtown to pick up home shopping parcels from the Royal Welsh Warehouse. They worked in from Shrewsbury and were timed to only have a 10 minute layover in Newtown to load the parcels. I can just imagine the frantic scenes as parcels were just flung in through the open doors on the DPU. And close to Christmas some of those parcels would have been Hornby Train sets bought out of a catalogue. Well those of you living in Mid Wales now know why your Duchess or Jinty never ran well. !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 And close to Christmas some of those parcels would have been Hornby Train sets bought out of a catalogue. Well those of you living in Mid Wales now know why your Duchess or Jinty never ran well. !! And farther afield. I wonder if the traincrew were curious at the clink clink clink of the broken crockery as they trundled back towards England. It would make a great sound effect for a sound decoder. F12 for broken crockery, F13 for broken glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted February 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2013 A North Wales coast peak hour working: http://www.flickr.com/photos/merf29/8468581528/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 are any of those being released, ideal for a simply repaint to Royal mail red or did the bodies change?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIAM Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Can anybody tell me if the imminent model of M55994 is in the same detail/livery combination as this picture of it at Man Vic in 1984? It is very difficult to tell from the limited photos of the model on the net. Thanks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/5248820599/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 If this is anything to go by, it'll have gangways both ends: http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/l.aspx?k=20362 It looks like the current tooling for all four livery variations they're first doing all have gangways. The 2nd lot of tooling will I think have no gangways, thus suit your pic. RWJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Then again, http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/458144_499490210071416_531634282_o.jpg has it missing, but with holes to hold the gangway. I assume it was accidentally not fitted on it for the shot. I really hope M55994 has gangways on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Does that mean it had the standard Heljan style massive cast chassis? Ergo no use for any other DMU's that are open? Cheers Jim I believe you're quite good with a hacksaw! cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 They have arrived in Denmark and will be arriving VERY soon (4 liveries) .....so I was told be a nice Danish chappy at ModelRail Scotland last weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The other variation (in Rail Blue) is the buffers I have shots of them with round, (55990,55991,55992) oval (55993) and clipped oval (55994,55995). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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