Pete Harvey Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 A Very Cold but Picturesque Water Orton There is some new cable troughing going in at Water Orton and considering the weather rather them than me. It also looks like the point blades will be changed in the near future as well. There was chance to try a couple of shots as the light was going . Having the workmen there did give me warning of on coming trains that was good Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2010 Some LED signals appearing by the looks as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 Yes it would be good to see some Dave but none there at the moment, just the four aspect that were there when you were last there. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2010 Yes it would be good to see some Dave but none there at the moment, just the four aspect that were there when you were last there. Pete Take another look Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 Dave After looking at the pictures carefully I think ~I have spotted what you mean and I think these pictures will show the new signals. In front of the train to the right of the green signal To the right of the train in front of the signal with the feather it has a very thick looking white post. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2010 Some years ago, we put a ladder plank on at least one signal in that area to stop the locals from climbing it. That junction signal used to suffer a lot from vandals using the boarded crossing there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 There is a resignalling scheme due to be switched on soon for the Water Orton - Kingsbury - Tamworth area , effectively the area currently controlled by Saltley PSB is due to be switched over to West Midlands IECC. I believe that the Group Standard new for signal heads is now the Dorman LED type - these are used in new re-signalling schemes and to replace exisiting signal heads if they are beyond repair , the only exception to this was the Manchester South scheme which used the Ansaldo signals - these have a narrower more focused light beam which can be sighted from a greater distance to the Dorman type , but they are not as good as you get closer to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Interesting pics. Who do you think is in charge of the Operation? I say, the guy in the maroon hoody with the Norwegian ear flaps............... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 The person in charge should be wearing an armband with COSS lettering - Controller of Site Safety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Not impressed with site safety and discipline with the lookout separated from the party and them walking on the sleeper end as in photo 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 isn't that the Judder man The reason I have included these two picture is, I noticed that the left rail of the right hand exit of the point after the frog looks to be out of gauge as it does not follow the right hand stock rail, it's probably nothing but it is noticeable. It may be just the weather. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
signalmaintainer Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 The only thing worse than cabling in the frigid cold is cabling in the frigid cold while a train speeds by -- instant downward hit on the ol' wind-chill factor! Great photo sequence; thanks for posting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2010 Not impressed with site safety and discipline with the lookout separated from the party and them walking on the sleeper end as in photo 3. The lookout is on the other side of the line so that he can see further away on the curve. He should give warning to the group by means of a horn or flag. One of the group would be watching the man on the other side of the line to ensure that when the wanring is given all in the group are aware of it. I have a line at the end of my garden and most of the track maintenance people walk on the sleepers in spite of what the rules say! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 The look out was using a horn, as far as I could tell there was only one lookout. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2010 Thanks for posting the pictures Pete. I do feel sorry for the workers Today's Guardian has a picture of the Wolves- New St line with fantastic hoar frost Bilston which brings the conditions to life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 The lookout is on the other side of the line so that he can see further away on the curve. He should give warning to the group by means of a horn or flag. One of the group would be watching the man on the other side of the line to ensure that when the wanring is given all in the group are aware of it. I have a line at the end of my garden and most of the track maintenance people walk on the sleepers in spite of what the rules say! Chris I am fully aware why the Lookout was where he was. If there was a "man on the other side of the line to ensure that when the warning is given all the group are aware of it" why was there a man on the end of the sleepers when the L/O could not see approaching traffic as it would be obscured by the passing train?. Surely in such weather it is asking for trouble to walk on the sleepers, having said that the man could be walking on the ballast but he is not in a position of safety while the view of the L/O is impaired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Sometimes, walking on the sleepers is the safer option, even in this sort of weather. Walking on frozen ballast is like walking on marbles at times. Nidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I am fully aware why the Lookout was where he was. If there was a "man on the other side of the line to ensure that when the warning is given all the group are aware of it" why was there a man on the end of the sleepers when the L/O could not see approaching traffic as it would be obscured by the passing train?. Surely in such weather it is asking for trouble to walk on the sleepers, having said that the man could be walking on the ballast but he is not in a position of safety while the view of the L/O is impaired. There are a few examples which are far from best practice there - I know some people who would have want three lookouts for somewhere like that. No helmets, walking on sleepers - doesn't look too good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2010 I can't even find the Lookout among that lot; the only one who is clearly visible is the Distant Lookout - who seems on one occasion to have deserted his post. Wherever the Site Lookout is he certainly doesn't come over prominently in any of those pics! No wonder some of these contractors are so good at getting themselves into trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2010 Interesting pics. Who do you think is in charge of the Operation? I say, the guy in the maroon hoody with the Norwegian ear flaps............... Best, Pete. In one picture where that guy is bending down to do something it appears that he could be wearing a COSS badge on the front of his coat which is perfectly permissible. There isn't a good picture of the Lookout's left arm to see if he has an armlet. There is one picture where a man in the party doing the work is not in a place of safety even though the Lookout would become unsighted by the train passing on the Up Slow line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2010 The reason I have included these two picture is, I noticed that the left rail of the right hand exit of the point after the frog looks to be out of gauge as it does not follow the right hand stock rail, it's probably nothing but it is noticeable. It may be just the weather. Pete Looks more likely a bit of a bad cross level, the telephoto distorts the angles a lot. The Up Slow to Whitacre was the original line, and the straight road from the Up platform. The fixed diamond in the old junction was roughly adjacent to the crossing nose of the present S&C. There was a bad wet spot just by there and it was often subject to speed restrictions due to condition of track in the run-up to the laying of the present junction c1983. The remodelling and realignment was originally to be part of the NE-SW route improvements for the HST service. The train planners wanted 125mph round the curve here but I think that would put the Up Fast across the car park of The Dog pub. The Down Main was supposed to go through the present Up platform, with the Down platform becoming the Up Slow and a new side platform being put on the Down Slow where the car park is situated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 W/hy would wearing a hard hat on that job make you any safer? My experience of wearing a hard hat (on site in my company's new building while it was being fitted out) was that wearing it made me bang my head and jar my neck on doorways where if I hadn't been wearing it I would have fitted under. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 Here is a picture from the 19/11/2010 and I think there is a difference. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Why would wearing a hard hat on that job make you any safer? That's the rule, so you just do it. They do keep the rain off quite well too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2010 Perhaps they think it would make that '66' bounce off. The Hard Hat rule is one of the best examples of 'One Size Fits Nobody' in Health and Safety. Rules should be sensibly made for each situation, to fit the risks involved. Blanket rules lead to apathy and are then ignored by staff for the very situations where they are actually of benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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