Guest Phil Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 from the same flickr set as above, down and out and a long way from home.... http://www.flickr.co...57626805445858/ One of the ones fitted with the "hybrid" class 24/25 roof moulding with the "fairings". How many were there ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 Hmmmmm, dunno. If the caption's correct and they are numbered from front, that purports to be 24125, an early Doncaster rock-up, hence she's still got her Moggie Minor headlamps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 12, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2011 a shot posted already of 125 at carstairs 4/76 shows no lamps and normal boxes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5553832327/ (also shows 099, which must've went south at the same time as it is apparently in the line-up linked to above) 126 at donny 3/77, again no lamps and normal boxes http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/6047982463/ apols if this has been linked to before, 127 at IS in 6/69 shows normal boxes http://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/6008052541/ but this shot at st. rollox in 10/74 seems to show it had gained a fairing box at least at no.2 end http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/6146306127/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 12, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2011 a pic of 129 at haymarket 7/76 http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/6146306253/in/set-72157627561415426 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) Ruddy good spot son; this also shows its four-slat boiler-vent blanking-plate - http://www.flickr.co...57627561415426/ Edited November 12, 2011 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 Did we have these outbased Kitty shots before? If we did I must've missed 'em. http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=17995 http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=18474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 New from Railscot, an UID member of the HBS clan stands at Dingwall with a Kyle - Inverness freight in 1963: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=36449 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted November 26, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2011 One of the ones fitted with the "hybrid" class 24/25 roof moulding with the "fairings". How many were there ? Hmmmmm, dunno. If the caption's correct and they are numbered from front, that purports to be 24125, an early Doncaster rock-up, hence she's still got her Moggie Minor headlamps. According to the Derbysulzers site 24 127 had "modified headcode housing" at the B end only. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) another new one on RAILSCOT. no number given, but maybe able to deduce from details: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=36611 (also, very OT, a nice phot of a clayton on LGW wagons http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=36594 ) Edited November 29, 2011 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 another new one on RAILSCOT. no number given, but maybe able to deduce from details: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=36611 Triple-header! How common were those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2011 maybe a double-header with a failure? given the amount of clag going on there doesn't seem to be much/any coming from the loco nearest the coaches. if double-heading was necessary for the train and one failed, the 24 was perhaps commandeered from a local working to help out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 It's only just out of Inverness. If a unit had failed so close to Inverness, surely they would have taken it off - they wouldn't want to haul that extra dead weight over Slochd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Triple-header! How common were those? They were regularly diagrammed for about five years I think. One of my first photo albums was Bradford Barton's Diesels In The Highlands, and the Inverness - Perth leg was legendary for these triple headers on the more heavily loaded workings. If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs. I recall seeing one such and being stunned by it, but it was in my pre-note-taking days! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Hi all. Just picked up on this thread. I've got some catching up to do, but some cracking pictures so far. Just so I can join in now, whats a HBS? Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Hi all. Just picked up on this thread. I've got some catching up to do, but some cracking pictures so far. Just so I can join in now, whats a HBS? Cheers. Sean. Welcome aboard the roadshow Sean! The HBS is a rare breed - Highland Baby Sulzer, D5114-D5132, nineteen in number, later Class 24114-24132. Notable for their 60A Inverness allocation effectively from new, their trademark mohawk headcode box without wings, and tablet catcher recesses. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ah. That explains it then. HBS means Hull Bridlington Scarborough, (my local route), to me, but I'll bear this in mind when I'm reading through the thread here. Thanks for the welcome. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Welcome aboard the roadshow Sean! The HBS is a rare breed - Highland Baby Sulzer, D5114-D5132, nineteen in number, later Class 24114-24132. Notable for their 60A Inverness allocation effectively from new, their trademark mohawk headcode box without wings, and tablet catcher recesses. Just remembered, I have one of 5124 lurking within my flickr pages, kindly loaned by a mate of mine for scanning purposes... http://www.flickr.com/photos/21403537@N00/2221387616/in/set-72157606875370137 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 They were regularly diagrammed for about five years I think. One of my first photo albums was Bradford Barton's Diesels In The Highlands, and the Inverness - Perth leg was legendary for these triple headers on the more heavily loaded workings. If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs. I recall seeing one such and being stunned by it, but it was in my pre-note-taking days! Interesting, 'Chard. I've recently been able to look at a friend's notes from a trip in the summer of 1964. Apparently, we travelled up to Inverness an a 14-coach train, and back south on a 16-coach train. Both were only double-headed - D5127/D5327 northbound and D5115/D5124 southbound. Do you know the reason for the triple-heading? It doesn't look as if it would just be load - perhaps improved schedules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2011 the earliest WTT i have is '75/'76 and pretty much all inv-edin/glas are down as 2 x 24/26, with timing loads from 290-450t (not including motorails/sleepers) other line services of similar loads are only assigned 1 loco, so it would seem the terrain is the main factor, followed by, as you say, improved timing e.g. some trains reach perth in 2.5 hrs, others up to 4 hrs in the time of triple-headers, was the HBS only required to/from perth? certainly glasQS had limited platform lengths so 3 locos would mean shorter trains, mind you edin waverley would not have that problem anyway enough ignorance from me, just found another pic, albeit unidentified http://www.flickr.com/photos/deadmans_handle/4612825360/in/set-72157624288321587 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) in the time of triple-headers, was the HBS only required to/from perth? certainly glasQS had limited platform lengths so 3 locos would mean shorter trains, mind you edin waverley would not have that problem I would imagine that the heaviest services were those that either split at Perth (for Edinburgh and Glasgow) or were headed further south (the Royal Highlander was certainly one such triple-header), hence the Queen St constriction wouldnt be an issue (and I think locos would have been changed at Perth anyway on those trains) If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs. It's been suggested that even the two-loco combos were sometimes one of each, in order to get the best of the performance curve of each (not that it always happened, obviously). Then again, it could be a bit random, like finding socks in the dark - pull three out and you're more likely to get a pair that match Edited December 3, 2011 by Pennine MC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2011 don't think we've had these before, 5113+5129 on a railtour in sept. 1973 http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/5913413310/in/set-72157626602091241/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/5912852127/in/set-72157626602091241/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Here's another, acting as backdrop to Curly42's great record shot of GFYE 8528 at MH in '70: http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/216948 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) And over on a well known internet auction site, here's an HBS body - wait for it - in TT ! http://www.ebay.co.u...5#ht_500wt_1156 And a couple more of the real thing from the archive: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6435574289/in/set-72157628231522759/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6435574945/in/set-72157628231522759/ Edited January 1, 2012 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 5, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2012 pic of 2 UID locos at dingwall, 1970 http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=37074 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Resurrected from a very old Box Brownie negative - D5343 and D5127 at Newtonmore August 6, 1962: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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