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a shot posted already of 125 at carstairs 4/76 shows no lamps and normal boxes:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5553832327/

(also shows 099, which must've went south at the same time as it is apparently in the line-up linked to above)

 

126 at donny 3/77, again no lamps and normal boxes

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/6047982463/

 

apols if this has been linked to before, 127 at IS in 6/69 shows normal boxes

http://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/6008052541/

but this shot at st. rollox in 10/74 seems to show it had gained a fairing box at least at no.2 end

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/6146306127/

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One of the ones fitted with the "hybrid" class 24/25 roof moulding with the "fairings".

 

How many were there ?

Hmmmmm, dunno. If the caption's correct and they are numbered from front, that purports to be 24125, an early Doncaster rock-up, hence she's still got her Moggie Minor headlamps.

According to the Derbysulzers site 24 127 had "modified headcode housing" at the B end only.

 

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maybe a double-header with a failure?

given the amount of clag going on there doesn't seem to be much/any coming from the loco nearest the coaches.

 

if double-heading was necessary for the train and one failed, the 24 was perhaps commandeered from a local working to help out?

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It's only just out of Inverness. If a unit had failed so close to Inverness, surely they would have taken it off - they wouldn't want to haul that extra dead weight over Slochd.

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Triple-header! How common were those?

They were regularly diagrammed for about five years I think. One of my first photo albums was Bradford Barton's Diesels In The Highlands, and the Inverness - Perth leg was legendary for these triple headers on the more heavily loaded workings. If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs. I recall seeing one such and being stunned by it, but it was in my pre-note-taking days!

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Hi all.

 

Just picked up on this thread. I've got some catching up to do, but some cracking pictures so far.

 

Just so I can join in now, whats a HBS?

 

Cheers.

 

Sean.

 

Welcome aboard the roadshow Sean!

 

The HBS is a rare breed - Highland Baby Sulzer, D5114-D5132, nineteen in number, later Class 24114-24132. Notable for their 60A Inverness allocation effectively from new, their trademark mohawk headcode box without wings, and tablet catcher recesses.

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Welcome aboard the roadshow Sean!

 

The HBS is a rare breed - Highland Baby Sulzer, D5114-D5132, nineteen in number, later Class 24114-24132. Notable for their 60A Inverness allocation effectively from new, their trademark mohawk headcode box without wings, and tablet catcher recesses.

 

Just remembered, I have one of 5124 lurking within my flickr pages, kindly loaned by a mate of mine for scanning purposes...

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21403537@N00/2221387616/in/set-72157606875370137

 

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They were regularly diagrammed for about five years I think. One of my first photo albums was Bradford Barton's Diesels In The Highlands, and the Inverness - Perth leg was legendary for these triple headers on the more heavily loaded workings. If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs. I recall seeing one such and being stunned by it, but it was in my pre-note-taking days!

Interesting, 'Chard. I've recently been able to look at a friend's notes from a trip in the summer of 1964. Apparently, we travelled up to Inverness an a 14-coach train, and back south on a 16-coach train. Both were only double-headed - D5127/D5327 northbound and D5115/D5124 southbound. Do you know the reason for the triple-heading? It doesn't look as if it would just be load - perhaps improved schedules?

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the earliest WTT i have is '75/'76 and pretty much all inv-edin/glas are down as 2 x 24/26, with timing loads from 290-450t (not including motorails/sleepers)

other line services of similar loads are only assigned 1 loco, so it would seem the terrain is the main factor, followed by, as you say, improved timing

e.g. some trains reach perth in 2.5 hrs, others up to 4 hrs

 

in the time of triple-headers, was the HBS only required to/from perth? certainly glasQS had limited platform lengths so 3 locos would mean shorter trains, mind you edin waverley would not have that problem

 

anyway enough ignorance from me, just found another pic, albeit unidentified

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deadmans_handle/4612825360/in/set-72157624288321587

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in the time of triple-headers, was the HBS only required to/from perth? certainly glasQS had limited platform lengths so 3 locos would mean shorter trains, mind you edin waverley would not have that problem

 

 

I would imagine that the heaviest services were those that either split at Perth (for Edinburgh and Glasgow) or were headed further south (the Royal Highlander was certainly one such triple-header), hence the Queen St constriction wouldnt be an issue (and I think locos would have been changed at Perth anyway on those trains)

 

If I recall correctly, the usual configuration was an HBS and two BRCWs.

 

It's been suggested that even the two-loco combos were sometimes one of each, in order to get the best of the performance curve of each (not that it always happened, obviously). Then again, it could be a bit random, like finding socks in the dark - pull three out and you're more likely to get a pair that match ;)

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And over on a well known internet auction site, here's an HBS body - wait for it - in TT !

http://www.ebay.co.u...5#ht_500wt_1156

 

And a couple more of the real thing from the archive:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6435574289/in/set-72157628231522759/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6435574945/in/set-72157628231522759/

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