'CHARD Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 Design changes impacted on the fuel and boiler water tanks of the class 24 fleet during their construction. These were principally weight-saving measures, and happened irrespective of the locos' intended allocations. Thanks go once more to Derby Sulzers Dave for permission to plagiarise his resource so liberally. Changes started as far back as D5050 - where the tank wrapped round the battery box it no longer reached up to solebar level, creating a shallower end section. This production change affected locomotives up to D5120, built at Crewe, Darlington and Derby. This batch of locomotives included the Gateshead allocated machines which were later designated for the Tyne Dock - Consett iron ore services - for this their steam heating boilers and water tanks were removed permanently, and three of these would later become Highland Skinheads: 24102, 24103, 24104. Over time some members of this group received the lighter water tank, this was shortened and created a gap between the fuel & water tanks under the battery boxes. Locomotives receiving the shorterr tank included Skinhead 24113 and Mohicans 24118, 24119. Other machines saw the circular gauges added to the tanks, on both tanks these included Skinhead 24113 and Mohicans 24115, 24116, 24117 and 24120. From D5121, part-way through the Derby build for the ScR, the design of the water tank was changed. To reduce its weight the length was reduced creating a gap between it and the fuel tank beneath the battery boxes. Many of this group would later be fitted with circular gauges for both the fuel and water tanks, particularly true for the ScR examples, including 24121, 24123, 24124, 24125, 24128 and 24129. Several locomotives only had the circular gauge added to the fuel tank, these included 24126, 24127, 24130 and 24132. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 The Haymarket disfigurement of blinding the HBS' eyes used three basic shapes of blanking plate. The neatest, round design was no doubt the costliest, and thus only appeared for definite on 24115, 24116 and 24118. Square plates appeared on 24117, 24119, 24120, 24121, 24123, 24125 and 24130, whereas 24124, 24126 and 24129 seem to have longer, oblong blanking plates. EDITED 17/4/11 to include this: Post #125 below shows 24127 withdrawn at Doncaster depot 3-10-76 still with headlights. There's no definitive photographic evidence for what style was fitted to 24128 or 24132. EDITED 8/4/11 to include data from post 109. The battery isolating switch was accessed through the small (grille-sized) panel towards the B-end. The two part lids hinged top and bottom were replaced by a single piece door hinged on the left or right on certain locos: 24117 (L), 24120 (L), 24123 ( R ), 24125 (L), 24126 (L), 24129 ( R ). The status of 24127 has not been established. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 There were only a few 47/4s in green TOPS and they didn't last long. I think the last one, was the WR's 47494. This one, is probably one of the ER's bunch. It probably would indeed, one from the ex-1101 - 11 batch. As you say they didnt last long: living in Hull and regularly being at Doncaster, York or elsewhere on the ECML, these machines were always around and yet I dont knowingly remember seeing one in green TOPS. Here's another one of those "Emulsion Anomalies". Despite how it looks, 5147 IS green. I have no idea, WHY it was repainted/bulled up in green in 1974. ... Crewe Works did a similar thing in the early '70s; a loco would enter for overhaul in green and it would exit after overhaul, looking for all the world, like it had been repainted green. Maybe 24147 had a minor O/H somewhere and they bulled up the paintwork as it wasn't TOO bad and sent her out again. Despite Bob's preoccupation with this blue/green crossover business, I do believe it is almost always down to light/emulsion, combined with natural changes in the paint as it ages and weathers. If you think about it in general terms, dark green and dark blue are in any case colours which are very easily confused in poor light. I have slides of my own from this period which show this blueish tinge, yet I know the locos were indisputably green when I took them. I dont personally think there's *too* much mystery about 24147 either - as you say, lots of 47s went through Crewe immediately pre-TOPS with patch painting, revarnishing and application of asymmetric numbers and yet looking as if they'd had a full repaint. Did any of the 5114-5132 series ever carry Green with Full Yellow Ends livery? All the pics posted on here so far, suggest not, but surely ONE of them lasted long enough.... Lasted long enough in theory, yes, but I'm inclined to suggest that the ScR was quite ambivalent (or at least inconsistent) about applying FYEs. A while ago somebody was asking for pics of any ScR 20s in GFYE and I dont think anything came up - most if not all of the native locos went from GSYE straight to blue, or were transferred to the LMR during that period. The Claytons and 27s probably go against this (which is why I say inconsistent) and yet only one or possibly two 26s are known to have been done - further evidence perhaps that Inverness at least wasnt in too much of a hurry about it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 One of this batch in trouble - http://www.curriesteamcollection.org/pages/110D-DunRS1063.htm (There are another couple of photos of the re-railing on the same website). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 It probably would indeed, one from the ex-1101 - 11 batch. As you say they didnt last long: living in Hull and regularly being at Doncaster, York or elsewhere on the ECML, these machines were always around and yet I dont knowingly remember seeing one in green TOPS. Lasted long enough in theory, yes, but I'm inclined to suggest that the ScR was quite ambivalent (or at least inconsistent) about applying FYEs. A while ago somebody was asking for pics of any ScR 20s in GFYE and I dont think anything came up - most if not all of the native locos went from GSYE straight to blue, or were transferred to the LMR during that period. The Claytons and 27s probably go against this (which is why I say inconsistent) and yet only one or possibly two 26s are known to have been done - further evidence perhaps that Inverness at least wasnt in too much of a hurry about it. The 47/4s that I'm aware of, which carried Green TOPS livery are; 47494 (1936), 47520 (1103), 47522 (1105), 47523 (1106), 47525 (1108), 47526 (1109) & 47527 (1110) and a new photo has turned up, claiming to be 47516, which is still "in the balance" as a misprint, for 47526 (the number isn't clearly readable). As regards ScR 20s in GFYE, the only one I can come up with, is D8123, from an undated photo with no location details, although there is a Class 50 in the background, so possibly on ScR metals. There were other 20s on the ScR with GFYE, but I don't think they were "Native" - D8015, D8018, D8027 among others. As far as I'm aware, 5335 was the only GFYE 26. This lasted well into 1973 and was the last green 26 of all. It had lost its white stripe as well. Rgds, Ron. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 One of this batch in trouble - http://www.currieste...D-DunRS1063.htm (There are another couple of photos of the re-railing on the same website). Many thanks Ph, they'll be added to the list! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 D5114 - D5132 Gallery Updates since the last time in green - Many thanks to all the individual contributors and the DerbySulzer, RailScot Rail Photo Archive, Rail Photoprints & Railway Herald websites for their help with this list. D5114 built Derby allocated 61A 23/4/60, reallox 60A later that month. Withdrawn 9/10/72 pre-TOPS (one of three not to receive 241XX numbers). Cut Glasgow 22/10/73. 17/3/62 Perth http://www.flickr.co...N05/4609176067/ (Incorrectly identified as D5122 on 'Flickr') 60's Eastfield http://www.derbysulz...tfieldgreen.jpg [DerbySulzers/J Ashley] 5/69 Waverley (trailing loco) http://www.flickr.co...@N00/2221361632 16/8/71 Perth http://railphotoarch...g=0720020855000 D5115 61A 30/4/60, reallox 60A 5/60, 61A 4/61, 60A 5/61, 24115 7/74, HA 10/75 Wdn 31/12/76 although officially stored 22/10/76, then stored MH 1/77 - 5/77, to Swindon 4/5/77 and cut 9/6/77. 13/6/62 Blair Atholl http://www.flickr.co...76211/lightbox/ 21/8/70 Inverness http://www.railphoto...g=0720020962000 8/71 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....44836_thumb.jpg 19/9/72 Thurso http://railphotoarch...g=0326020375000 1973 Ferryhill http://www.railphoto...g=0934000070000 29/8/76 Millerhill http://www.railphoto...g=0720022361000 2/4/77 Millerhill http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5585440379/ D5116 61A 7/5/60, 60A 5/60, 66A 12/60, 60A 5/61, 24116 4/74, HA 10/75, Wdn 15/9/76, stored PO 9/76 - 5/77, cut Doncaster 7/77. 5/60 Skipton http://www.derbysulz...6skiptonnew.jpg [DerbySulzers/D Happs] 1963 Inverness http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=28641 [RailScot / C Miller] 68 Hawick http://www.derbysulz...hawicksouth.jpg [DerbySulzers/B.McCartney] 11/69 Achnasheen http://www.derbysulz...stromeferry.jpg [DerbySulzers/G Robinson Collection/N Ross] 9/4/70 Perth (leading loco) http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=33313 3/5/71 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0934000053000 70's Haymarket http://www.derbysulz...haymarketbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 70s Waverley http://www.derbysulz...edinburghbw.jpg [DerbySulzers] 23/2/73 Wick http://www.railphoto...g=0720020935000 10/9/74 Inverness http://www.railphoto...g=0140020359000 5/3/77 Polmadie http://www.derbysulz...om/24116cab.jpg [DerbySulzers] 3/4/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ 8/5/77 Doncaster (nearest loco) http://www.flickr.co...N02/5464964948/ 8/5/77 Doncaster http://www.railphoto...g=0478022495000 D5117 60A 14/5/60, 65A 11/60, 60A 5/61, 24117 7/74, HA 11/75, stored 9/1/76, Wdn 2/2/76, stored Glasgow Works 2/76 - 4/76, to Doncaster 2/5/76, cut 1/77. 60s Unknown http://www.derbysulz...bwgreenshed.jpg [DerbySulzers/M Lowe] 9/4/70 Perth (trailing loco) http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32372 8/71 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...verness1971.jpg (DerbySulzers/G Wareham] 9/8/72 Kyle http://www.derbysulz.../5117kyle72.jpg [DerbySulzers/T.Sayer] 9/8/72 Kyle http://www.derbysulz...om/5117kyle.jpg [DerbySulzers/T.Sayer] 7/4/73 Kyle http://www.derbysulz...kylebwsteam.jpg [DerbySulzers] 8/73 Invershin http://www.flickr.co...98549/lightbox/ 26/8/75 Inverness http://www.railphoto...g=0720026102000 13/6/76 Doncaster http://www.derbysulz...17doncaster.jpg [DerbySulzers] 1976 Doncaster http://railphotoarch...g=1540020100000 1976 Doncaster http://www.railwayhe...magelink/114047 (Railway Herald / C.Booth) D5118 60A 21/5/60, 24118 7/74, HA 10/75, stored MH 13/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, to Doncaster 3/77, cut 5/77. 1/7/63 Kyle http://www.flickr.co...ill/2406906435/ 29/3/64 Perth http://www.flickr.co...@N02/2721384013 4/68 Eastfield http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32098 [Railscot/J Peebles] 70s Inverness http://www.derbysulz...invernessbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/E A Woods] 70s Kyle Line http://www.derbysulz...8kylelinebw.jpg [DerbySulzers/E A Woods] 9/4/70 Perth (leading loco) http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32372 4/5/71 Kyle http://railphotoarch...g=0934000032000 8/71 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....45068_thumb.jpg23/8/73 Waverley http://www.railwayhe...magelink/179945 (Railway Herald / R.Goodrum)8/74 Ferryhill http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=17392 [RailScot / J McIntyre] 8/74 Ferryhill http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32314 [RailScot / J McIntyre] 7/75 Fraserburgh http://www.flickr.co...over/416883625/ 27/3/76 Ayr http://www.flickr.co...ohn/5609053158/ 3/4/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5587646907/ 8/5/77 Doncaster (nearest loco) http://www.flickr.co...N02/3870452594/ D5119 60A 28/5/60, 24119 3/74, HA 11/75, stored 4/76, Wdn 18/7/76, to Doncaster 3/77, cut 5/77. 60s Unknown http://www.derbysulz...5119trainbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/M Lowe] 2/10/74 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...19inverness.jpg [DerbySulzers/T Sayer] 5/10/76 Haymarket http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5581207399/ 70s Haymarket http://www.derbysulz...haymarketbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 8/5/77 Doncaster (furthest loco) http://www.flickr.co...N02/3870452594/ D5120 60A 4/6/60, 24120 7/74, HA 10/75, stored 7/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, stored MH 1/77 - 6/77, to Doncaster 15/6/77, cut 7/77. 18/4/61 Wick http://www.derbysulz...0enginewick.jpg [DerbySulzers/R N Joanes] 18/4/61 Wick http://www.derbysulz...20trainwick.jpg [DerbySulzers/R N Joanes] 18/4/61 Georgemas http://www.derbysulz...20georgemas.jpg [DerbySulzers/R N Joanes] 7/69 Dingwall http://railphotoarch...g=0934000032000 7/69 Dingwall http://www.flickr.co...y42/4908151726/ 70s Haymarket http://www.derbysulz...haymarketbw.jpg [DerbySulzers] 7/70 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....44875_thumb.jpg 29/8/76 Waverley http://www.flickr.co...ohn/5585020187/ 2/4/77 Millerhill http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/5585440959/ D5121 60A 11/6/60, 24121 5/74, HA 10/75, stored 22/10/76 and immediately reinstated to work that day's 1A53 17.12 Glasgow - Ayr, remained on stock until Wdn 31/12/76, stored PO 1/77 - 11/77, Carlisle (location not known) 11/77 - 2/78, to Doncaster 14/2/78 - Happy Valentine's Day 24121, cut 5/78. 60s Inverness (trailing loco) http://www.derbysulz...invernessbw.jpg [DerbySulzers] 18/8/71 Waverley (trailing loco) http://www.flickr.co...N02/3574979243/ 8/71 Millerhill http://www.rmweb.co....22334_thumb.jpg 31/5/72 Kyle http://railphotoarch...g=0720021148000 11/8/72 Lochgorm http://www.rmweb.co....39250_thumb.jpg 8/73 Kyle http://www.flickr.co...96617/lightbox/ 8/73 Kyle http://www.flickr.co...96617/lightbox/ 6/8/74 Inverness http://www.flickr.co...dle/4612207581/ 6/8/74 Inverness http://www.flickr.co...dle/4612206883/ 5/6/76 Motherwell! http://www.derbysulz...1motherwell.jpg [DerbySulzers/T.Sayer] 9/77 Polmadie http://www.railphoto...g=0147020144000 2/4/78 Doncaster http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/5586034984/ 5/78 Doncaster http://www.railphoto...g=0147020116000 D5122 60A 18/6/60 Badly damaged as a result of a collision at Castlecary 9/9/68 moving on to Eastfield 24/9/68 Wdn that same month. Oct.68 Glasgow Works for stripping. 9/9/68 Castlecary http://www.derbysulz...lecarysmall.jpg [DerbySulzers/BR] 70s Glasgow Works http://railphotoarch...g=0953020032000 D5123 new to 60A 25/6/60, 24123 4/74, HA 10/75, stored PO 6/76, Wdn 18/7/76, to Doncaster 4/77 and cut 8/77. 60s Unknown http://www.derbysulzers.com/5123bw.jpg [DerbySulzers/R Conway Collection] 16/6/60 Ferryhill Jn http://www.gnsra.org...comotives16.htm 1968 Wick http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=30325 [RailScot / B McCartney] 5/69 Waverley (leading loco) http://www.flickr.co...@N00/2221361632 19/5/73 Stirling http://www.flickr.co...N03/2341817672/ 26/3/74 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0326020325000 1974 Kyle http://www.derbysulz.../24kyle74bw.jpg [DerbySulzers/N Hulme] 70s Inverness http://www.derbysulz...invernessbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 7/6/76 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...23inverness.jpg [DerbySulzers/T Sayerr] 3/4/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5588239266/ 8/5/77 Doncaster (furthest loco) http://www.flickr.co...N02/5464964948/ D5124 60A 2/7/60, 24124 4/74, HA 11/75, stored 7/76, Wdn 1/12/76, to MH 1/77, to Swindon 4/5/77, cut 25/5/77. 60s Inverness (leading loco) http://www.derbysulz...invernessbw.jpg [DerbySulzers] 5/6/68 Manchester Trafford Park (possible wrong No.) http://www.flickr.co...p_99/171816603/ 25/7/68 Polmadie http://www.derbysulz...124polmadie.jpg [DerbySulzers/K Hughes] 5/69 Perth http://www.flickr.co...N00/2221387616/ 11/69 Kyle http://www.derbysulz...om/5124kyle.jpg [DerbySulzers/G Robinson Collection/N Ross] 21/2/73 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0326020376000 23/8/73 Waverley http://www.railwayhe...magelink/179945 (Railway Herald / R.Goodrum) 5/76 Haymarket http://www.flickr.co...737/5121521880/ 2/4/77 Millerhill http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5547645772/ D5125 60A 14/7/60, 24125 4/74, HA 10/75, stored 11/75, to MH 1/76, Wdn 27/3/76, to Doncaster TMD 5/76, Works 12/76, cut 8/77. EDIT: a later photo link in this thread shows 24125 at Carstairs following withdrawal (minus a buffer) so the above details may be incomplete 1960 Barrow http://www.derbysulz...125barrowbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/Cumbrian Railway Assoc.] 60s Unknown http://www.derbysulzers.com/5125bw.jpg [DerbySulzers/R.Conway Collection] 23/6/63 Lochgorm http://www.flickr.co...ill/3864950522/ 2/64 Aberfeldy http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=17959 [RailScot / B McCartney] 2/64 Aberfeldy http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22268 [RailScot / B McCartney] 2/64 Ballinluig http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=22689 [RailScot / B McCartney] 4/68 Banff http://www.gnsra.org...comotives54.htm 7/70 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....22402_thumb.jpg 9/8/72 Inverness (LH Loco) http://www.rmweb.co....39282_thumb.jpg 10/8/72 Aberdeen http://www.rmweb.co....39268_thumb.jpg 1973 Fraserburgh http://www.flickr.co...over/907732799/ 1973 Clachnaharry http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26868 [Railbrit / D Spaven] 6/74 Aberdeen (leading loco) http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=18281 26/8/75 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0720025924000 24/4/76 Carstairs http://www.flickr.co...ohn/5553832327/ 70s Doncaster http://www.railphoto...g=1540020101000 70s Doncaster http://www.railwayhe...magelink/114048 (Railway Herald / C.Booth) D5126 60A 23/7/60, 24126 7/74, HA 10/75, stored MH 12/75, Wdn 2/2/76, to DR 5/76, Works 12/76, cut 8/77. 3/7/63 Wick http://www.flickr.co...ill/2409701829/ 3/7/63 Wick http://www.flickr.co...ill/2406907225/ 3/7/63 Wick http://www.flickr.co...ill/3867986464/ 8/63 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...26inverness.jpg [DerbySulzers/M MacDonald] 9/4/70 Perth (trailing loco) http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=33313 14/8/72 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0934000028000 19/9/72 Wick http://www.railphoto...g=0326020379000 29/5/73 Thurso http://www.flickr.co...N05/4119838734/ 29/5/73 Thurso http://www.flickr.co...N05/4119838982/ 1977 Doncaster http://www.derbysulz...26doncaster.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 1/5/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...iff/4449254336/ 7/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...phy/4320298858/ D5127 60A 30/7/60, 24127 10/74, HA 11/75, stored 18/12/75, Wdn 2/2/76, to DR 5/76, Works 12/76, cut 4/77. 25/3/67 Aviemore http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=27769 [RailScot / B McCartney] 70s Inverness http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31270 [RailScot / D Spaven] 7/70 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....22362_thumb.jpg 3/10/73 Dingwall http://www.derbysulz...7dingwall73.jpg [DerbySulzers] 3/10/76 Doncaster http://www.railwayhe...magelink/148380 (Railway Herald / R.Goodrum) D5128 60A 13/8/60, 24128 5/74, HA 10/75, stored 5/76, Wdn 18/7/76, to Carstairs 8/77, York 9/77, Doncaster 9/77, cut 10/77. 60s Inverness http://www.davidheyscollectionextra.com/userimages/001-pic-9-orcadian-inverness-b.jpg [David Heys Collection / J Stoddart] 5/68 Haymarket http://www.flickr.co...r24/5174358746/ 70s Haymarket? http://www.derbysulz...haymarketbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 25/5/70 http://www.railbrit....te2.php?id=4495 [RailScot / John Furnevel] 12/8/71 Thurso http://railphotoarch...g=0720023961000 D5129 60A 27/8/60, 24129 4/74, HA 11/75, stored MH 11/10/76, Wdn 31/12/76, Doncaster 3/77, cut 4/77. 23/6/63 Lochgorm http://www.flickr.co...ill/3864950522/ 3/5/71 Inverness http://railphotoarch...g=0934000055000 70s Eastfield http://www.derbysulz...eastfieldbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 70s Perth http://www.derbysulz...m/5129perth.jpg [DerbySulzers/K Hughes] 13/9/75 Eastfield http://www.derbysulz...eastfield75.jpg [DerbySulzers] 3/4/77 Doncaster http://www.flickr.co...n_h/4693356433/ D5130 60A 3/9/60, 24130 4/74, HA 11/75, stored 6/10/76, Wdn 1/12/76, to MH 1/77, Doncaster 15/6/77, cut 9/77. 18/7/66 Perth http://www.flickr.co...ill/2134097336/ 7/70 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....22490_thumb.jpg 8/71 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....22434_thumb.jpg 70s Inverness http://www.derbysulz...vernessblue.jpg [DerbySulzers] 70s Unknown http://www.derbysulz...24130bwline.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 2/4/77 Millerhill http://www.flickr.co...n_h/5586034470/ D5131 60A 17/9/60, to St Rollox 6/71 after collision at Inverness TMD, Wdn 11/9/71, cut 2/72. 31/7/68 Moy http://www.flickr.co...76211/lightbox/ 8/68 Pitlochry http://railphotoarch...g=0720026066000 3/1/69 Carlisle http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=27299 [Railscot / K A Gray] 4/1/69 Hawick http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31025 4/1/69 Hawick http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31508 8/71 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...inverness71.jpg [DerbySulzers/G Wareham] 8/71 Inverness http://www.rmweb.co....22544_thumb.jpg 17/8/72 Cowlairs (Cab Only)! http://www.rmweb.co....39363_thumb.jpg D5132 60A 23/9/60, 24132 10/74, stored 10/75, Wdn 2/2/76, to St Rollox then Doncaster by 6/2/76, cut 3/76 - the only TOPS Highland Baby Sulzer to be culled whilst still at Inverness and never reallocated to Haymarket. 60s Georgemas Jn http://railphotoarch...g=0880020104000 60s Georgemas http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ 60s Thurso http://www.flickr.co...N02/5490869115/ 60s Thurso http://www.railphoto...g=0880020103000 30/10/66 Dundee MPD http://www.currieste...D-DunRS1063.htm 30/10/66 Dundee MPD http://www.currieste...E-DunRS1063.htm 30/10/66 Dundee MPD http://www.currieste...F-DunRS1063.htm 5/68 Drummuir http://www.gnsra.org.uk/gnsra_gallery_locomotives39.htm 5/68 Cairnie http://www.gnsra.org...comotives40.htm 70s Inverness http://www.derbysulz...invernessbw.jpg [DerbySulzers/I Mawson] 1/72 Inverness http://www.derbysulz...inverness72.jpg [DerbySulzers/A Taylor] 9/8/72 Inverness (RH Loco) http://www.rmweb.co....39282_thumb.jpg 23/2/73 Inverness http://www.railphoto...g=0720020975000 16/7/73 Achnasheen http://www.railphoto...g=0720023960000 70s Eastfield http://i46.photobuck...n_H/gb24132.jpg 22/2/76 Doncaster? http://i46.photobuck...2-22Feb1976.jpg Unknown 6/8/61 Newtonmore http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=28489 [RailScot / D Spaven] 8/62 Nr Dalguise http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29199 [RailScot / D Spaven] 7/63 Kyle http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29925 [RailScot / C Miller] 7/63 Kyle http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29839 [RailScot / C Miller] 8/64 Wick http://www.flickr.co...76211/lightbox/ 1965 Dunblane http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=21333 [RailScot / G W Robin] 4/12/65 Kittybrewster http://www.gnsra.org...itecture_03.htm 1965 Dunblane http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=21333 [RailScot / G W Robin] 6/66 Dunblane http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26808 [RailScot / C Miller] 1967 Dalanraoch http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26506 [RailScot D Spaven] 5/68 Rothes http://www.gnsra.org...stations_73.htm 60s Wick http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29070 [RailScot / K A Gray] 60s Hawick http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=27736 [RailScot / B McCartney] 7/70 Plockton http://www.railbrit....te2.php?id=6785 [RailScot / J Robin] 71 Broch Goods http://www.flickr.co...44974/lightbox/ 1972 Inverness http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29848 [RailScot / D Spaven] 5/73 Alness http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31703 [RailScot / D Spaven] 8/73 Invershin http://www.flickr.co...009/5561078983/ 1973 Aviemore http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=13696 [RailScot / J McIntyre] 1973 Dufftown http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26900 1974 Strathcarron http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=28399 1974 Aviemore http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29402 [RailScot / D Spaven] 1974 Aviemore http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=25247 [RailScot / J McIntyre] 4/7/74 Nairn http://www.flickr.co...e65/1570962953/ 8/76 Kyle http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=18312 [RailScot / I Dinmore] 70s Eastfield http://www.derbysulz...stfieldyard.jpg [DerbySulzers] Perth http://www.flickr.co...N02/5217523098/ Miscellaneous! 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Bob Reid Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 The Haymarket disfigurement of blinding the HBS' eyes used three basic shapes of blanking plate. The neatest, round design was no doubt the costliest, and thus only appeared for definite on 24115, 24116 and 24118. Square plates appeared on 24117, 24119, 24120, 24123, 24125 and 24130, whereas 24126 and 24129 seem to have longer, oblong blanking plates. There's no definitive photographic evidence for what style was fitted to 24124, 24127 or 24132. Chard, The RailOnline photo gallery http://www.rail-online.co.uk has some additional shots of the Inverness HBS's though with it's rather threatening T&Cs I can't add the links until I've emailed them. There is a bit of additional info available to add to the above; 24121 had square plates fitted, and 24124 what appears to be the longer oblong type. Still outstanding of course 24127, 24128 & 24132 The photo of 24124 however clearly shows it partly stripped at Swindon Works on 1/5/77. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Here's one for the Inverness Class 24 spotters! 5132 with mystery - a small square blanking plate to the left of the left-hand headlight (at the No.2 End only). Here during the 60s (undated) Still there in 1968 and in the mid 70s It may well have been on the No.1 end as well, but those available shots of that end are not clear enough to see. Prior use for the Royal Train? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw1 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Here is another one for the collection - 24118 at Ayr in March 1976. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 This Railscot shot has now received its caption: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=33590 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 11, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2011 Prior use for the Royal Train? could be bob, i'm sure i've seen pics of a 25 so fitted, albeit with a round blanking plate i think there was a 'standard' royal train comms line, reminds me of a pic i've seen of 2 warships with a cable that was draped along the roof/sides. at some point there must've been the instruction to have the cable go through the locos? edit: had a look here http://www.derbysulzers.com/royaltrain.html perhaps different locos had the wire come through in different positions, then plated over with round/square plates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Here's D5128 (I think) for you: http://www.davidheyscollectionextra.com/userimages/001-pic-9-orcadian-inverness-b.jpg From: http://www.davidheyscollectionextra.com/page8.htm Cheers, 26power 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 5132 with mystery - a small square blanking plate to the left of the left-hand headlight (at the No.2 End only) ... It may well have been on the No.1 end as well, but those available shots of that end are not clear enough to see. There's a photo of D5132 in 1967 in "Sixties Spotting Days Around the ScR" with some fairly severe looking impact damage at the number 1 end. There is damage to the driver's side but there's another HBS cluttering up the shot so I can't see how far across the cab it extends. It may be that the blanking plate at the No.1 end, if fitted, was lost in the subsequent repair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 As far as I'm aware, 5335 was the only GFYE 26. This lasted well into 1973 and was the last green 26 of all. It had lost its white stripe as well. And here she is: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26157 Still with white stripe, non-matching bodyside door (Class 27?), and in one of my other favourite locations - Buckie on the Moray Coast network, penultimate freight. What a photo. No apologies for going O/T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Still with white stripe, non-matching bodyside door (Class 27?), An obvious thought, and some did get them I think. However, I think 5335's was diverted from the cl. 33 programme, or ordered as a spare at the time they were being built - it's (typically) not in the book I thought it was in, but I have seen a very early pic of it with that door, dated prior to the introduction of the 27s. No apologies for going O/T. No complaints from me, it's a gorgeous shot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Lasted long enough in theory, yes, but I'm inclined to suggest that the ScR was quite ambivalent (or at least inconsistent) about applying FYEs. A while ago somebody was asking for pics of any ScR 20s in GFYE and I dont think anything came up - most if not all of the native locos went from GSYE straight to blue, or were transferred to the LMR during that period. The Claytons and 27s probably go against this (which is why I say inconsistent) and yet only one or possibly two 26s are known to have been done - further evidence perhaps that Inverness at least wasnt in too much of a hurry about it. Here's ambivalence for you Ian - 20020 In GFYE 1978? at Inverness.... http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/2478/20020-Inverness-010678-RP11.jpg.html [Rail Photoprints] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 One more to add before I start updating the list to reflect all these great contributions to the story. Courtesy of John Chalcroft at Rail Photoprints 15/09/70 5121 at Inverness http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/2497/5121-5336-Inverness-150970.jpg.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Here's ambivalence for you Ian - 20020 In GFYE 1978? at Inverness... Cheers Bob, I've seen other shots of it. I should have said, the query was about GFYE during the period that it was 'current'. 20020 was a transfer in from the South, post-TOPS AFAIK and thus not applied 'native', so to speak. In fact I think prior to said transfer of a few late-surviving green 20s, I think the ScR had been all-blue for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Here's ambivalence for you Ian - 20020 In GFYE 1978? at Inverness.... http://www.railphoto...8-RP11.jpg.html [Rail Photoprints] The ScR cleared out its green locos THREE times. The first was in 1976 with the repainting of the final green 08s, then 20146 & 20149 came up from Toton in 1976, both green. These went blue during 1977, giving the ScR an all-blue fleet again.......until, green 20020 was sent up from Tinsley in late 1977. Rgds, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
South of 1E Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Have distant memories of several early 70's Inverness 26's/"teacups" in green livery but with blue cab doors, 5333 noted as such, be nice to see a phot of this livery variation. Possibly blue 24's had green doors too! NR www.leightonlogs.org Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 And here she is: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=26157 Still with white stripe, non-matching bodyside door (Class 27?), and in one of my other favourite locations - Buckie on the Moray Coast network, penultimate freight. What a photo. No apologies for going O/T. Amazing that D5335 went GFYE, way back in 1968 but no more were ever done, even though there were still green 26s three years later. There is a so-far unproven rumour that D5324 had FYE for a short time, but I'll not be holding my breath for a photo..... Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Dammed Johnny Foreigners! - Hence I was slightly puzzled by the date - When I started at St.Rollox in 74' everything that stood still seemed to be getting painted blue and yet a year earlier when I was still a humble spotter word of green loco at Eastfield spread quickly meaning a quick trip to depot to see what it was...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Great way to start a Sunday morning - another dose of Sulzers courtesy of the Railway Herald 24117 Undated Doncaster http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/114047 (Railway Herald / C.Booth) 5124 & 5118 (misidentified as Class 25) 23/8/73 Waverley http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/179945 (Railway Herald / R.Goodrum) 24125 Undated Doncaster http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/114048 (Railway Herald / C.Booth) 24127 3/10/76 Doncaster http://www.railwayherald.org/imagelink/148380 (Railway Herald / R.Goodrum) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 I thought maybe you were bringing up D5127 (24127) which apart from being very shy on the photograph front, allegedly had the 'as built' box at one end, and winged at the other - both the available photo's that've come up so far only clearly show the No.1 end! Last link at Doncaster confirms that rumour, number 2 end most definitely has got WINGS!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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