90211 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi, I have searched but can't find the information I need. I have inherited a couple of rakes of Bachmann and Mainline Collett 60' coaches in maroon livery and wonder what the latest date these would have been in use. Likewise I now have a rake of Hornby Hawksworth maroon coaches and wonder if I can use either on my model railway which is set around 1965. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 23, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2011 I think you are OK until 64 at least - latest pic I can remember in maroon is in a motor-rail train in 64 - but there were certainly a few blue & grey ones around until the late 60s Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 The Collett's as made by the firms you mentioned represent coaches built circa 1938. If we go off what what happened to LMS Stanier coaches built circa 1938-9, it is possible the GWR Colletts went at the same period, ie : 1963/64. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hawksworth stock is fine for 1965, though it would largely have been demoted to relief sets, summer dated services and some secondary workings by then. Most if not all had gone by 1967-8. Collett stock would probably have gone a bit earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hawksworth stock deffo in 1966, I've got piccys of odd coaches at Old Oak Common taken around then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi, I have searched but can't find the information I need. Good on you for trying - and saying so There might be something of interest in this query thread of mine - which incidentally I couldnt find on my first search, using 'Hawksworth' plus my own username I'd agree with the consensus on Colletts, they were definitely around in 1962 but I think '64 would probably be pushing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 According to Harris (GWR Coaches from 1890) the '38 Colletts were extinct in general service by the end of 1964, while the Hawkesworths went 1965- end '67, even though a couple were repainted into blue/grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 23, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2011 This photo has been seen on RM Web before, but it shows Hawksworths on the ECML at Pilmoor in August 1967 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90211 Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Thanks to everyone for the information. I shall have to revise my chosen period to 1964 now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Of partial relevance to this and other recent threads, this shot on a site linked to by pH in another thread is of interest. Unfortunately I can't get the pic to enlarge in the usual way, but it looks to me that at least the first three, and probably the fourth and fifth, vehicles are all Collett 'Sunshine' stock. I suppose the odds are diminishing that the rest of the train is the same, but neverthless it is fairly unusual in its uniformity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 That's 'Excursion' stock. The GWR was not a great user of open carriages for general use, but they did produce trains of them for excursions, party travel and the like. These were effectively set train, hence the uniformity. These appear to be the 1937 built set, D123 brake and C74 saloons, but without the matching kitchen. According to Harris (GWR Coaches from 1890) these were all in service until 1963/4, but gone by late 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Ah Thanks, Bernard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 According to Harris (GWR Coaches from 1890) the '38 Colletts were extinct in general service by the end of 1964, while the Hawkesworths went 1965- end '67, even though a couple were repainted into blue/grey. This presumably excludes the Hawksworth sleepers and the full brakes ? The sleepers lasted until 1970 and the full brakes seem to have lasted a good deal longer still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 This presumably excludes the Hawksworth sleepers and the full brakes ? The sleepers lasted until 1970 and the full brakes seem to have lasted a good deal longer still. I assume Bernard means day stock; as with the celebrated Gresley buffets, quoting dates for vans or small numbers of specialised designs just skews the picture, IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Yes, ordinary day stock. The Hawkesworth sleepers aren't available R-T-R anyway, though the full brakes are. The last of these went in 1978. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2012 Heres a good one for a wandering prototype - 19th August 1967 - Llandudno to Newcastle in a Hawkesworth! http://www.flickr.com/photos/64215236@N03/6985988605/in/photostream/ Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Heres a good one for a wandering prototype - 19th August 1967 - Llandudno to Newcastle in a Hawkesworth! http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ Thanks Phil, more circumstantial evidence that Hawksworths were transferred to LMR and/or ER stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2013 So with the glut of cheap (er) Hornby Hawkesworths on the market thoughts turn towards using one to create one of the few blue/grey repaints. Is the correct diagram represented in the current Hornby releases please? And is there a good shot anywhere that could be used to base the lining on? Thanks in advance Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2013 There was reference to them here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/6244-Hornby-2010-announcements-topic/page-16&do=findComment&comment=54852 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2013 That's very useful - thanks! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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