Porcy Mane Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Axlebox visible in the first picture of it, here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/124047467@N05/26239665101/in/dateposted/ Ta. I've never thought of checking the obvious. Looks like a standard split box to me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Modelable train. https://flic.kr/p/dPC1QS 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethashenden Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Modelable train. https://flic.kr/p/dPC1QS It looks rather underpowered. I hope they're standing by with a banker if it meets a hill. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Modelable train. https://flic.kr/p/dPC1QS Signal Box coal ? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Signal Box coal ? Brian One of Adrian Shooters earlier conversions before the class 230/ex-D stock. A former 31 converted to steam power with 4 Mamod engines inside. The fuel tank is filled with meths and the "coal" in the tender 16T wagon is a plastic moulding. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2016 One of Adrian Shooters earlier conversions before the class 230/ex-D stock. A former 31 converted to steam power with 4 Mamod engines inside. The fuel tank is filled with meths and the "coal" in the tender 16T wagon is a plastic moulding. Stewart Probably much more fleet of foot than the conventionally powered version! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2016 55001 Doncaster Works 17.2.80 by Paul Bettany, on Flickr 08757_Toton_APR79 by Martin Addison, on Flickr Newdigate Colliery by Kevin Lane, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian H C Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 55001 Doncaster Works 17.2.80 by Paul Bettany, on Flickr 08757_Toton_APR79 by Martin Addison, on Flickr Nwdigate Colliery by Kevin Lane, on Flickr I grew up in Long Eaton and remember that bit of Toton. In those days you used to be able to sneak through the perimeter fence and wander around amongst rows and rows of stored 16 tonners and hoppers. Wish I'd had the gumption to own a camera back then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian H C Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Anyway, here's a question for 16 ton experts. What is the difference between diagram 1/108 and diagram 1/117? I'd always thought 1/108 was exclusively unfitted and 1/117 was fitted. According to Larkin there were fully fitted lots of both diagrams. And from photos they look identical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) Anyway, here's a question for 16 ton experts. What is the difference between diagram 1/108 and diagram 1/117? I'd always thought 1/108 was exclusively unfitted and 1/117 was fitted. According to Larkin there were fully fitted lots of both diagrams. And from photos they look identical. It was something silly like a fraction of an inch in a leading dimension, IIRC. There were unfitted 108s, fitted ones with 8-shoe brakes, unfitted ones with eight-shoe brakes, and later ones with 4-shoe fitted underframes. Just checked the Barromere site for the Diagram Books:- 1/108 18.336 cubic metre capacity, 2676 mm high 1/117 18.371 cubic metre capacity, 2682 mm high Edited December 19, 2016 by Fat Controller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It's always seemed odd to me that a single wagon diagram should cover wagons with all sorts of different brakes and, in the case of some types of open wagons and vans, different suspensions, yet a separate diagram is produced where the is a quarter of an inch difference in one dimension. Having said that, the diagram book was produced for railway operating staff, not for modellers 50 or more years down the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It's always seemed odd to me that a single wagon diagram should cover wagons with all sorts of different brakes and, in the case of some types of open wagons and vans, different suspensions, yet a separate diagram is produced where the is a quarter of an inch difference in one dimension. Having said that, the diagram book was produced for railway operating staff, not for modellers 50 or more years down the line. If anyone could explain BRs ideas on allocating wagons to diagrams they would be doing far better than any of us trying to study their output for the past 50 years. In some cases they clearly didn't realise there had been a change until several more lots had been delivered, other times they simply didn't bother - such as the mineral wagons. It didn't help that in this case they stopped the vacuum braking part way through production of batches. We have said before, but bears repeating as this is now over 100 pages long, the best source of information on BR 16T mineral wagons is Fidczuk, Peter. (1991a) The 16ton steel mineral wagon, part one Prewar and wartime designs. Modellers Backtrack vol. 1 (part 3) pp 124 - 133. Drawings - official of the slope sided mineral, Hurst Nelson 14/16t private owner , ex MWT/SNCF diag. 1/112 . Fidczuk, Peter. (1991b) The 16ton steel mineral wagon, part two Later Pre-Nationalisation developments. Modellers Backtrack vol. 1 (part 4) pp 148 - 156. Drawings - LNER diag. 188/BR diag. 1/103 ex MOT rivet ; BR diag. 1/105 ex MOT rivet ; BR diag. 1/102 ex WD welded . Fidczuk, Peter. (1991c) The 16ton steel mineral wagon, part 3: Developments under British Railways. Modellers Backtrack vol. 1 (part 5) pp 220 - 230. Drawings - BR diag. 1/108 welded ; BR diag. 1/109 riveted ; BR diag. 1/108 rebody welded. The larger wagons are discussed in Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983b) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 595) pp 637 - 641. Drawings - Welded double door diag. 1/107; Riveted double door diag. 1/110 ; VB double door with SAB diag. 1/120 and manual load diag. 1/119 Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983c) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons - the rebuilding programme. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 596) pp 708 - 711 & 697. Drawings - Double door welded rebody; single door welded rebody. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 97405 40060 Helsby 13.02.1986 by Richard Clayton, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Wellyboots Posted December 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2016 Nice shot of coal being unloaded at Minffordd; https://flic.kr/p/9rivLH 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 97405 40060 Helsby 13.02.1986 by Richard Clayton, on Flickr Rare to see the mesh on the 'letter-box' slots; come to that, rare to see a 'letterbox' with straight sides and right-angled corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Going slightly off topic, but still staying with coal wagons, as I didn't know where else to put it, I thought you might like to see the underside of a 21t Coal Hopper, that had been kindly turned on its side at Maerdy Collier in 1986. Very useful for us modellers. Sorry no number for it. Paul J. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 45192 by Peter, on Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Tarpaulined at Hindlow. JW Sutherland. 04.05.62 49439 9am Buxton - Pinfold freight 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2017 D5527 Belstead 21 August 1962 by snatmann, on Flickr Untitled by Walt Jabsco, on Flickr Penallta by Walt Jabsco, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Caerau by Walt Jabsco, on Flickr GER/LNER. Holden "J69" class 0-6-0T No. 68573. by Ron Bowyer, on Flickr B&W049_1 by Peter Heather, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 Should 16 tonners really be travelling this fast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehscGltcDR0 Phil 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Blimey! Looked like they were dancing as they went past Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 Should 16 tonners really be travelling this fast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehscGltcDR0 Phil Rock and roll! Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steam69 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Another film of 16 tonners (6 different train loads) in the 1960s Richard 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Of interest for the train formations including the variety of vans then still about and their variations in colours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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