Andrew Peters Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 As the title say's........... Help . I am looking for information about the GWR twinset railcars that where built. The only info I have is a bit of text and a front 3/4 photo which are in "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Coaches - Part 2" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2011 There was a whole paperback book on the GWR railcars from Wild Swan. Not sure if it is still available. I borrowed a copy when I built a Westward kit of a pair for a friend. There is a good chapter on the twin railcars, including some drawings and lots of information and photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 There are a couple of books on them, plus an article in MRJ 7 you might find useful. A couple of pictures of them on the Cheddar valley in the books as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 MRJ issues 5 and 6 - Monty Wells on the conversion of Lima railcars to a 2 car set - articles called Banana Split. http://britishrailwa...ayjournal5.html http://britishrailwa...ayjournal6.html (no connection - just found them) Edit - and for the book - http://www.railwaybooks.org/page40.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dilbert Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 There' a whole chapter dedicated to these units in C.W. Judge's excellent tome 'The History of the GW AEC Diesel Railcars' - ISBN 0-86093-139-0. Sadly out of print for several years now, but http://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/books/opc/rollingstock.html#0860931390 has a copy available, now... dilbert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Cheers for the book links guys. Tim I forgot those Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 And http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/aec3.htm http://totally-transport.co.uk/GWRrailcar.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 The Great Western Diesel railcar (AEC) is back in print. Purchased a new copy from the Titfield Thunderbolt in Bath a few weeks ago. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 The Great Western Diesel railcar (AEC) is back in print. Purchased a new copy from the Titfield Thunderbolt in Bath a few weeks ago. Gordon A Bristol Put an order in for 1 today, should have it friday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 RCTS publication "Locos of the GWR part 11" deals with "Rail Motor Vehicles and Internal Combustion Locomotives". Good history notes but only one 3/4 front view of cars 35 & 36. Now out of print and tends to be expensive in the S/H market. EDIT (in reply to Stationmasters post below:-) I looked on Amazon, Ebay, and Bookfinders a couple of years ago when I was considering selling my copies of several of the RCTS GWR books. The cheapest that I found then (for part.11) was £16-ish rising to £24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2011 RCTS publication "Locos of the GWR part 11" deals with "Rail Motor Vehicles and Internal Combustion Locomotives". Good history notes but only one 3/4 front view of cars 35 & 36. Now out of print and tends to be expensive in the S/H market. Depends what you call 'expensive' - you should be able to get a copy in good/vgd condition for under a tenner (my copy cost £8.50 from a specialist railway book dealer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 MRJ issues 5 and 6 - Monty Wells on the conversion of Lima railcars to a 2 car set - articles called Banana Split. I'm about to go down the Lima route too, but to build a 3-car set. I picked up three boxed Lima GWR railcars at reasonable prices from one seller on E-bay, and a Bachmann Collett coach for the centre car. I also had a stroke of good luck a couple of weeks ago - an unbuilt Anbrico kit for the W5W series single cars at a Buy-it-now price of £40!! The Black Beetle to power it will cost more than that!! On the basis of these two projects, I have asked for the Russell book as my birthday present. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 The book is very good, some helpful drawings. The only thing that it still doesn't help explain is WHY on earth they ran on the Cheddar Valley line . The next job for me is to find 3 N guage railcars to convert to not only twinset but 2mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 You need to look at the carriage working book. Also the WTTs. Basically, the railcar - single unit or whatever, ran from Temple Meads down to Yatton. There it ran out to Clevedon, while the normal auto was serviced. The unit then ran down towards Witham towing a corridor third, as seen in the picture of a unit at Cranmore. It ran to Frome where the corridor was detached, and attached to a B set forming the Up Express to Bristol, followed by the unit - all stations stopper. The key about workings over the Cheddar Valley was that they were part of a wider picture, you cannot look at the individual workings in isolation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 You need to look at the carriage working book. Also the WTTs. Basically, the railcar - single unit or whatever, ran from Temple Meads down to Yatton. There it ran out to Clevedon, while the normal auto was serviced. The unit then ran down towards Witham towing a corridor third, as seen in the picture of a unit at Cranmore. It ran to Frome where the corridor was detached, and attached to a B set forming the Up Express to Bristol, followed by the unit - all stations stopper. The key about workings over the Cheddar Valley was that they were part of a wider picture, you cannot look at the individual workings in isolation. Cheers Tim, still just surprised to see the twins running on the line as them were built for higher speed routes ie Birmingham - Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 RCTS publication "Locos of the GWR part 11" deals with "Rail Motor Vehicles and Internal Combustion Locomotives". Good history notes but only one 3/4 front view of cars 35 & 36. Now out of print and tends to be expensive in the S/H market. EDIT (in reply to Stationmasters post below:-) I looked on Amazon, Ebay, and Bookfinders a couple of years ago when I was considering selling my copies of several of the RCTS GWR books. The cheapest that I found then (for part.11) was £16-ish rising to £24. Better off looking for these at preservation sites. I got one at Peak Rail a few weeks ago for £1.50 and another edition was from the WSR I think. Not sure what changed between 1st and 2nd prints though the binding went from staples to perfect. I need to compare and flog the one. I think these things were a victim of their own success on things like B'ham - Cardiff and seating capacity became an issue. They did look a bit odd with the ordinary coach in the middle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted June 2, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hi Did this 3 into 2 conversion some years back in N inspired by MRJ articles. Best to do the conversion power car after one vehicle self combusted at St Annes. ( My dad was on the trip it ran before. - set was ECS to Keynsham for the Fry`s chocolate staff train.) Only "hard" part was cutting inner ends out of plasticard. The chassis was the achilles heal but latest units with split frame are lovely and the 2mm drop in wheels should make for a doddle! I guess a Dapol collet coach would look the part asd well.. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Well, after lots of research and messing around I found out that Langley (4th item down) do a N guage version . So have ordered it as it will hopefully save me money. It looks like I'll need to build a chassis for the power unit, or try and find a very cheap Farish railcar to rob the drive from. Hopefully the only other bits to do will be to get some 2mm alxes to fit, just need to work out which! Anybody know which they might be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'm about to go down the Lima route too, but to build a 3-car set. I picked up three boxed Lima GWR railcars at reasonable prices from one seller on E-bay, and a Bachmann Collett coach for the centre car. As alternatives, MTK produced the twins as a one piece pre formed body shell and an etched end, designed to fit the Lima railcar chassis. one of their better body kits. Not seen one for a while but they do turn up. There is also the Westward cast kit but it was a bit on the heavy side. In fact a pair of the ex Westward ones on eBay now http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Perseverance-WK3-OO-HO-GWR-Diesel-Railcars-No-35-36-/140598980706?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item20bc5a3062 As for workings Bristol used set 35/6 for Bristol-Weymouth workings with a brake compo sandwiched between in the late forties early 50's regards Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I guess a Dapol collet coach would look the part as well.. The Bachmann (4mm) or the Dapol (2mm) coaches are not the correct pattern for the trailer coaches used with these sets. You need an earlier style coach. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 The rebuilt set, W33/W38 did, in later years, have a 1938 Corridor 2nd (3rd as built, of course) W1096W which is the same as the Mainline/Bachmann and Dapol models. However, the kits probably depict the original twins 35/36 & 37/38; certainly the Langley one is like that. I believe there was a choice with the Westward conversions. W1096W was even painted in green with cream stripes late on. The stripes matched the diesel coaches so some were interrupted by the windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 Well I have in my over excited hands, my newest model. Yes the Langley twinset turned up today when I was at work. Nice little bonus birthday present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiggy1969 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 As alternatives, MTK produced the twins as a one piece pre formed body shell and an etched end, designed to fit the Lima railcar chassis. one of their better body kits. Not seen one for a while but they do turn up. There is also the Westward cast kit but it was a bit on the heavy side. In fact a pair of the ex Westward ones on eBay now http://www.ebay.co.u...=item20bc5a3062 As for workings Bristol used set 35/6 for Bristol-Weymouth workings with a brake compo sandwiched between in the late forties early 50's regards Mike Wiltshire am i right in thinking that an all third was used as well dia c46 coach no 4509 mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 am i right in thinking that an all third was used as well dia c46 coach no 4509 mark 70ft 4509 was used until 1948. The 1950's shots I was looking at had a E146 brake compo no 6582. The other twin set 37/8 worked with an 'out the box' Bachmann C77 no 1096 though I do not have a shot of this combination. This set mainly worked Cardiff-Birmingham. Regards Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiggy1969 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 thanks for that thought i had made a boo boo with the comet kit i am building to go with my twin set to be used as the weymouth set panic over lol mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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