Lochnagar Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 +1 Andy, things take time to ship and quantify. The 85 looks great and I'm looking forward to the postman knocking on my door. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 have to just wait and look at more prototype images.. E3058 AL5 1T61 (85003) Manchester Oxford Road Station by bescotbeast, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Usual suspects by Auchlander, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 E3068 at Alvecote by Tutenkhamun Sleeping, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Doncaster Works. by cabsaab900, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 that a very thorough bit of info from Bachmann so the roarers are on the way........good stuff although a May release now seems less likely and the June date would seem to be the month we actually lay our hands on them. delamars photographs of these 85s just get better. is that a Gresley coach behind the loco on 1T61? pleasing also to hear that there are no bogie issues to delay them afterall the original release date was March - where on earth does a rumour like that originate from when they are already in the middle of the ocean??? i am looking forward to reading up on the models in the modelling press next month. go back a few pages regarding the 85 at Preston hauling a few milk wagons re; Swindon - Carlisle comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Usual suspects by Auchlander, on Flickr That is some dent in the front of that 86 !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Sorry, didn't mean to upset anyone and I am personally delighted that the 85's are on the way, but I did want to hear if that was indeed a rumour and are grateful to B'mann for a quick response which is in everyone's interest. the rumour is now quashed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 delamars photographs of these 85s just get better. is that a Gresley coach behind the loco on 1T61? it is a gresley, dont forget these are not my pics, i just try and hunt them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 E3075 (85020) on a very mixed parcels/freight train. Crewe Aug 1965. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Closer look at E3075 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I stumbled across this photo on the web with a BR TOPS Class 85 wearing its BR arrows at the cab end rather than in the centre of the bodysides. I dont know if this was a blip or if a number of these locos were shopped out like this..... http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/images/class85/85032-stonebridgep-090987.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 That's such a good example of what made the transition era so fascinating. All new AC electric traction hauling a vehicle with timber bodywork in a style with roots a century earlier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 ... is that a Gresley coach behind the loco on 1T61? Interesting combo, whilst Gresleys certainly wandered a bit I wouldnt have thought they'd have been common behind AC electrics purely because of the unlikelihood of any being fitted with ETH (as happened to the 'domestic' Staniers). As the caption says, it could well be a test train (as suggested by the T headcode and which wouldnt require heating), but it's intriguing to speculate where the stock has come from. The second vehicle is clearly a Mk1, so it's probably not a full rake that has been sidelined for such use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted April 29, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2012 Interesting combo, whilst Gresleys certainly wandered a bit I wouldnt have thought they'd have been common behind AC electrics purely because of the unlikelihood of any being fitted with ETH (as happened to the 'domestic' Staniers). As the caption says, it could well be a test train (as suggested by the T headcode and which wouldnt require heating), but it's intriguing to speculate where the stock has come from. The second vehicle is clearly a Mk1, so it's probably not a full rake that has been sidelined for such use. Just had a quick look in my copy of Ian Allan's 'British Rail Headcodes' (undated, but it cost 4/6!). 'T' on the LM does indeed indicate "Excursion and special trains local to LMR". In the LM section, there are lists of route indicating codes using the last two digits, but it isn't clear (to me anyway) when these were used as such rather than indicating individual train numbers; anyway, one of the indications for '61' under 'Manchester Division' is given as "Crewe or Chelford and Manchester (Piccadilly) via Styal", which seems to make some kind of sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Interesting combo, whilst Gresleys certainly wandered a bit I wouldnt have thought they'd have been common behind AC electrics purely because of the unlikelihood of any being fitted with ETH (as happened to the 'domestic' Staniers). As the caption says, it could well be a test train (as suggested by the T headcode and which wouldnt require heating), but it's intriguing to speculate where the stock has come from. The second vehicle is clearly a Mk1, so it's probably not a full rake that has been sidelined for such use. The photo is not very clear, but to me the Gresley looks like it could be a BG rather than a passenger vehicle. I'm basing this on what looks like double vents above a double door 6 or 7 panels in from the ends and a single door in the middle. I agree with NINJA, its probably a parcels train so ETH wouldn't be a factor. There also appears to be a brake van in front of the MK1. According to an ex-railwayman friend of mine this was common practice in parcels trains to give the guard a vehicle with a stove for heating to ride in. Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Just had a quick look in my copy of Ian Allan's 'British Rail Headcodes' (undated, but it cost 4/6!). 'T' on the LM does indeed indicate "Excursion and special trains local to LMR". Cheers Steve, I'm never sure about 'T', as to whether it was just for test trains; it might have been later on, as I recall 'L' being used for internal LM excursions in the 1970s. The photo is not very clear, but to me the Gresley looks like it could be a BG rather than a passenger vehicle. We're talking about a different picture Jeremy Ninja's pic is definitely a BG, I wouldnt argue that - the other Gresley is in Mike's post #203 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I'm intrigued by the fifth vehicle in post 210- looks like a 'Shark' ballast plough brake to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Another photo's of 85's same day as previous photos showing with and without small yellow warning panel. E3056 (85001) and E3080 (85025). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 29, 2012 Author Share Posted April 29, 2012 I cant decide if i like the small yellow panel on them, however if Bachmann do that version one day im sure ill have one anyway, this is not an 85, class 81 but im sure it will be of some interest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Vintage stuff. Nice find Michael. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I've seen photos in various books on the AC electrics of the early types hauling all sorts of pre-Nationalization stock including passenger carrying vehicles of Thompson, Gresley, Stanier and Hawksworth design, although all the photos were taken in the summer so probably didn't require heat. That said, there were also a number of steam heating vans used for a while where non-ETH stock was hauled by AC electrics particularly on inter-regional trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 A couple of shots of E3063 (85008) at Crewe in 1961' It appears to be as new so must be about October 1961 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Great shots Derek, thanks for sharing them. To the locals who were so used to Stanier's fine machines, these newfangled electrics must have seemed as though they'd landed from outer space at the time...! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 While looking through my old pictures to scan for Flickr I have found a few more 85s 85012 works a vacuum braked freight northbound through Warrington Bank Quay, 14/6/83 At Lancaster 85026 has a train of what appear to be tube wagons as it passes heading north, 10/7/84 85001 calls at Nuneaton while working a Euston - Carlisle relief, 7/9/84 cheers 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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