coachmann Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I have built a short train of GWR stock to represent a train that used to run for holiday makers during the summer season from Greenfield (West Riding of Yorkshire) at 22.00hrs to the West Country. It returned during daylight hours, which enables me to run a model of the train. Various formations were run as might be expected and this allowed me some leeway to assemble a rake of vehicles I actually fancied! A previous WB was deleted. This is probably a more appropriate place anyway. Etched brass sides and ends were purchased from Comet Models. I first slotted the doors to take the lowest hinges, which I fit to all my coaches. The hinge is a strip of brass with a fold at one end. I etch these but they can easily be made from brass strip, pushed through the slot from the back and soldered in place. Any surplus on the face of the coach can then be trimmed off... Most builders will probably have to buy a full kit. I use me own surplus etched floors to which I solder the ends and detail them.... I also have etched solebars and trussrods that are really for LMS coaches. The 57ft solebars had to have an insert soldered in the middle to extend tem to 60ft. In contrast the LMS trussrods were shortened to GWR dimensions. GWR type Batteryboxes and buffers also came from Comet. Bogies are Bachmann and are available as spares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2011 Very nice Larry.What is the diagram for this coach please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2011 I have built a short train of GWR stock to represent a train that used to run for holiday makers during the summer season from Greenfield (West Riding of Yorkshire) at 22.00hrs to the West Country. It returned during daylight hours, which enables me to run a model of the train. Various formations were run as might be expected and this allowed me some leeway to assemble a rake of vehicles I actually fancied! A previous WB was deleted. This is probably a more appropriate place anyway. You wouldn't happen to fancy a 'batch build' by any chance Larry? PM in the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 The GWR Diagram of this coach is C77 built in 1938 and 1940. It used to be available from Bachmann. The interior was built from my etched seat and corridor partitions and the seats painted roughly to represent the pattern used in the later 1930s.... Livery was carmine & cream. The GW provided its third class passengers with curtains, not something always found in LMS stock.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 The next coach was a a Hawksworth Diagram E164 brake composite. I bought the splendid Hornby model but as the plastic sides looked conspicuous against my brass sided coaches, I removed them. This entailed making light cuts against a steel ruler just below the rivets under the gutter until half-way through the plastic. Then two verticle saw cuts were made about 3mm from the coach ends and the sides easily snapped off.... Plastic was removed from the ends the equivalent of the thickness of the 12thou thick etched brass sides (see red lines)..... Etched brass sides came from Comet Models. As usual the doors were slotted to take the lowest hinges. These hardly protrude because of the slim tumblehome on Hawksworth stock.... After fitting droplights and door handles, the brass sides were glued to the roof with Evostick, then to the coach ends with Loctite. (Evotick remains flexible and will take up the different expansions of brass and plastic). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 After partially masking off the black ends to protect the corridor connections and the whole roof, this the coach was sprayed BR cream followed by carmine red. Ends were then touched up with Humbrol No.85 satin black. I also took the opportunity after glazing to fit golden colour curtains..... Exactly the same procedure was carried out on a Hornby C82 corridor third, only this time I added the verticle beading strips that cover the lower panels. These can just be detected in the lower photos. And the beading? Well, that was thick cellulose paint rules on with a draughtsmans pen. Roof was sprayed black and the underframe 'blown over' with rust colour... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Larry, I'm afraid that W7372W never carried crimson and cream. It was one of the two BCKs reserved for Royal and VIP duties that went straight from GWR chocolate and cream to the BR version. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Larry, I'm afraid that W7372W never carried crimson and cream. It was one of the two BCKs reserved for Royal and VIP duties Sods....Of all the running numbers, I have to choose that one. Thanks, it'll get changed this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2011 Can you explain how you used Bachmann bogies on the Comet coach please Larry.I assume you use BA bolts of sorts but do they need packing to stop them fouling the underframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Gwrrob : Can you explain how you used Bachmann bogies on the Comet coach please. The Bachmann 36-010 Collett Bogie stretcher has to be built up until the stretcher is flush with the top of the bogie sideframe (thick plastikard is what I use), so that I can use my usual bolster. The bolster is soldered to the coach underframe (floor) with a ½ inch 8BA bold soldered through it and the floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 I decided to use an elderly Bachmann C77 'Sunshine' coach as donor for my next coach, which was to be a GWR Diagram C70 corridor third of 1936... This is the standard Bachmann product from which I removed the sides as done previously on the Hawksworth coach. Greater care is required because of the very tough Bachmann plastic... A strip of brass around 3mm wide was soldered along the very top of the coach at right angles to the side. This not only prevented the side from bending, it also provided a bigger surface for the glue when attaching the sides to the Bachmann roof.... As is my usual practice, the doors were fitted with lower hinges and a strip of plastikard glued along the lower edge of the coach side to build it up to the previous plastic thickness. Then the sides were glued to the roof with Evostick and the ends with Loctite... The yellow vertical lines were applied with a draughtsmans bow pen to create beading strips so characteristic of the real coaches. This is the coach in primer. I leave primer to 'cure' for at least 4 hours before applying any further paint.... Meanwhile I added new V hangers, pull rods and and brake cylinders to the chassis. The lower view of the Bachmann roof shows it to be quite a highly detailed moulding for its age.... As usual, BR carmine & cream livery was applied with the running number in its earliest position at the left hand end. As a postscript, a review of requirements rendered this coach turned out to be suplus to requirements later on and it was sold to an RMweb member. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Larry; Did you find that the C70 sides fit the Bachmann coach lengthwise? I ask because the I was pretty sure that the coach measured out to be about 60'6" over the corners which makes is a bit short for 61' sides and a bit long for 60' ones. I know I had to trim the sides to fit when I did a conversion of an E159 to an E153 using Comet parts. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Adrian, maybe had to shorten the sides very slightly but I cannot sware to it at this distance in time. 1½mm at each end is the figure and looking at the pictures I may have removed 1mm off each end and overlapped the ends by ½mm to take up the remainder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted August 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2011 Great reading the thread Larry, how long does each coach take you? - what else is to come for the rake? I intend to make a 6 coach rakes of Centenary stock, using Comet sides and a complete kit for the 1st class Kitchen car, then a couple of detailed Airfix coaches. Time is usually against me though! Thanks for sharing, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi Neal, It takes me 2½ to 6 hours to build a coach depending on the type. My own are the quickest to build. Comet sides have to be slotted and fitted with hinges, and droplight have to be soldered in all too often. But using Comet or Bill Bedford sides is very worthwhile when I only want the one coach. Good luck with the GW Centenaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted August 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi Neal, It takes me 2½ to 6 hours to build a coach depending on the type...... Very impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 The final coach for the short GWR set is this one, a Diagram E148 brake composite. It is my favourite too because the design owes nothing to the other big three and so it looks typically Great Western. First of all we start with a shot of the component parts, which are Comet sides & ends with the remainder my own from LMS etchings. I had already slotted the doors to take the lower hinges, and door droplights were etched onto the sides - Hurrah! The first thing I did was detail the ends. Steps are Comet etchings that pass through the slots. Then the ends were soldered to one of my spare LMS 57ft long floors.... The interior partition came from one of my LMS brake compos. Seats were soldered to the partition and a 10BA bolt soldered through to secure the interior to the coach (not keen on glue for this). This is pretty much the completed body using LMS solebars, footboards and shortened LMS trussrods. Cast whitemetal batteryboxes came from Comet. Bachmann Collett pressed steel bogies were used but the LH bogie shows the minor alteration required to move the coupling in somewhat.... Finally, a shot of the chassis showing the underfloor detail... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Sorry I had to cut short the above photo strip due to call out. This is the finshed E148 brake composite. Unfortunately it rendered redundant my earlier Hawksworth brake compo but this will be kept as a spare as I dont want to part with it. The three coach GW set is therefore this E148 Bk.Compo, C77 third and Hawksworth third. I suspect they were attached to a Manchester London Road-West of England express at Stockport. Editted 31.8.11 to correct miss-read Diagram number Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Coach, you are a demon modeller.... each time I drop in on one of your threads my jaw hits the floor. It's like looking through the pages of a very familiar Jim Russel book, only in glorious technicolour...wonderful! I also concur with your fondness for the Collett stock, thay can't be mistaken for anything else. Is there any chance we could see some photos of complete rakes together please...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Rudg1022 : Is there any chance we could see some photos of complete rakes together please...? Thanks. Here they are shown using the various permutations.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 OUTSTANDING! Regards Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks for posting those Larry, they truly look the business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sorry I had to cut short the above photo strip due to call out. This is the finshed E147 brake composite. Unfortunately it rendered redundant my earlier Hawksworth brake compo but this will be kept as a spare as I dont want to part with it. The three coach GW set is therefore this E147 Bk.Compo, C77 third and Hawksworth third. I suspect they were attached to a Manchester London Road-West of England express at Stockport. Great modelling as usual Larry, but it's an E148.... The E147 coaches were non-gangway and were made up into B-sets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 The E147 coaches were non-gangway and were made up into B-sets. That'll teach me to put my reading glasses on when reading Russell page 153....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted August 31, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2011 .......... Bachmann Collett pressed steel bogies were used but the LH bogie shows the minor alteration required to move the coupling in somewhat.... ..... Sorry Larry I must have missed something here! - Why did you need to move the coupling in? - and why at one end only?? Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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