craigwelsh Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 These were on sale at the Manchester show though I didn't bother buying one as they aren't really right for my period and place. Looked nice though and I understand there is a P4 converted one out there already.. Hattons seems to have them too.. http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=35963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 These were on sale at the Manchester show though I didn't bother buying one as they aren't really right for my period and place. Looked nice though and I understand there is a P4 converted one out there already.. Hattons seems to have them too.. http://www.ehattons.....aspx?SID=35963 If anyone can hear a screaming noise, don't worry. It's only my wallet.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Anyone out there got a picture of the actual model for posting yet please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Anyone out there got a picture of the actual model for posting yet please ? The Hattons ones are up now, such as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Anybody else think the green on these wagons is just wrong ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Anybody else think the green on these wagons is just wrong ?? It is difficult to judge from the photographs, it doesn't look too bad for olive green. I think the main problem is that finding coloured photographs in that livery is, perhaps, difficult. I don't have any http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/troutzfo http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerballasthop The one that has been repainted (in 1980) is black. I like the way Hornby have left (or given) a black ground to the lettering panel which might be from a prototype. What I find stranger is the suggestion they may be suitable for era 9 - does anyone have evidence they lasted so long? Paul Bartlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 The LNER version should be in Oxford Blue this is appears to be either Dark Grey or Black ? http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=35994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 It is difficult to judge from the photographs, it doesn't look too bad for olive green. I think the main problem is that finding coloured photographs in that livery is, perhaps, difficult. I don't have any http://paulbartlett....io.com/troutzfo http://paulbartlett..../lnerballasthop The one that has been repainted (in 1980) is black. I like the way Hornby have left (or given) a black ground to the lettering panel which might be from a prototype. What I find stranger is the suggestion they may be suitable for era 9 - does anyone have evidence they lasted so long? Paul Bartlett The last I saw was at Crianlarich in 1985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 The LNER version should be in Oxford Blue this is appears to be either Dark Grey or Black ? http://www.ehattons.....aspx?SID=35994 Its a grey and not a very dark one either from what I remember at Manchester. Think its got time travelling axleboxes on it too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillar Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) The paint job is a tough call for me since they're pretty scruffy in most of the photos. That aside, the models looks excellent - well worth the wait. Edited October 7, 2011 by Pillar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted October 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2011 I thought the green ones at Manchester - seen in the flesh - were a bit iffy colourwise. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 The last I saw was at Crianlarich in 1985 I manage a December 86 , but that is nearly 10 years shy of the start of era 9 isn't it? Paul Bartlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I'm painting mine black so the colour issue is a bit academic from a personal point of view. As a model it certainly looks very good though and will add welcome variety to my ballast hopper rake. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I'm painting mine black so the colour issue is a bit academic from a personal point of view. As a model it certainly looks very good though and will add welcome variety to my ballast hopper rake. Dave. Think I'll be doing something similar - having recently conquered my fear of savaging RTR products by converting a Loadhaul BDA back into a BDV (new bogies, buffers, vac cylinders, moving the bolster positions, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I'd like to see what you did with that, I have something similar in mind. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Initial images below - still needs re-painting. Typically the bauxite BDA's are the handwheel version !!! The wagons I'm trying to replicate are those in the B9277xx - B9281xx range. I have looked at the Cambrian BDV kit very closely and thought better of it - for an extra tenner might as well convert BDA's - worth the money not to have to fight those bevelled solebars onto the floor - I'm losing patience the older I get - and before anyone comments on my critique on the Cambrian kit - I've still got the Dogfish & Mermaids I built back in the 80's when they were made out of that brittle plastic.... The new bogies are Cambrian Gloucesters - their Davis & Lloyd version will do for the other variant of this wagons. Haven't fitted the r/b covers yet. One version has two handbrake handles (these will be etched additions). The vacuum cylinders are from the scrap box (Parkside). The oval buffers are the Lanarkshire MS ones althought the MJT ones are almost as good. The BDA requires the centre two bolsters removing and one putting back on the C/L of the wagon (BDV's had only 5). The slots exposed are filled with 60 x 20 plastic strip. The bolster detail is different but only 5 people in the entire world would notice that. The air-brake gear is also cut off (hmmm - now where's that drawing of an ODA ?) Couplings are Bachmann 36-030's (the straight ones) mounted into a Parkside block that have been surgically modified to fit under the coupling tab sticking out of the Cambrain bogie - arrangement works well. Not a rivet-counter conversion but given rusty paint and a load of re-inforcing rods from Sheerness Steel Ltd - it'll pass muster. Biggest problem is finding some cheapish BDA's to convert - although selling the Y25's on eBay will refund some of the cost. Anyway back to them Trout - apparently Cambrian are doing a "Mackerel" soon(ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Has anybody got knowledge of these ballast hoppers in terms of geographical spread. I am thinking Scotland (Perth or Abredeen) in 1960s and what livery would be applicable? thanks Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Colour-wise in the swinging sixties I'd be saying black becoming olive drab later, unless anyone's going to pitch freight stock red at me, which I doubt. As these have a NE bias, I'm planning on a smattering on the Waverley Route, and if I were modelling Glenfarg or Strathmore, which ain't so far-fetched, I'd still be contemplating the same cluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Graham. I believe these were pretty common north of the border. I expect they were commonplace particularly in the east. In the 1950s and 1960s they would have been predominantly black though the ScR frequently used specific district codes, normally displayed on the bodyside within a large painted orange/yellow diamond. Vehicles so embellished were still in the minority among plain black vehicles. I couldn't tell you if there were any Gulf Red vehicles in Scotland in the '60s though. Although the official record has Olive appearing in1963 it was a good ten years before it was any way common as far as I can tell. Maybe Paul knows that better. Dave. Dave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Has anybody got knowledge of these ballast hoppers in terms of geographical spread. I am thinking Scotland (Perth or Abredeen) in 1960s and what livery would be applicable? thanks Graham I have already quoted my site, whole series at Crianlarich. Paul Bartlett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) I'd missed those until now Paul, good bounce so cheers! The Kyle olive* specimen is very thought-provoking, but this evening's dialogue plus my '68 fixation steers me to a repaint into distressed black of the NE black multipack. Great thread this, chaps - for what's by many's standards a fairly low-key release of a much overlooked workaday - but long-lived - departmental type. Excellent stuff * EDIT - re-read much earlier post - that's black weathered to a kind of lichen or copper-oxide colour - I can feel some crazy distressing with wargaming powders and washes coming on! Edited October 8, 2011 by 'CHARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 ... Although the official record has Olive appearing in1963 it was a good ten years before it was any way common as far as I can tell... My impression is that only the Southern used it to any great extent in the '60s - I dont think it was so much that the other Regions continued with black, more that they just didnt repaint stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 My impression is that only the Southern used it to any great extent in the '60s - I dont think it was so much that the other Regions continued with black, more that they just didnt repaint stuff I think it may be more complicated than that. The SR understood olive green but these photographs of a nearly new Whale, built at Shildon IN 1966-7, appear to show a body colour slightly different to the black laquer of the underframe, but it is very dark http://paulbartlett....7c22d#h1dc7c22d http://paulbartlett....7c22d#h1dc7c22d and other photographs in that collection do suggest they had black bodies.... Olive green wagons do have a noticeable difference between frame and body - although painting the solebar olive green happened. http://paulbartlett....7c22d#h1dc7c22d http://paulbartlett....17f0f#h1de17f0f . But it can be very difficult, I am convinced that the body of this one http://paulbartlett....a7536#h135a7536 is different to the axleguards, and has some green in it, but not very much. However, black does seem to have been used by some works all of the time - the Trout ZFO at Whitemoor in my collection is a good example http://paulbartlett....f78cc7#h5f78cc7 (see what I did there, got back on topic! ) Paul Bartlett PS on LNER colours. There is a Met Camm official available from the HMRS which has a very light colour for the body panels (could be grey, could be blue), axle guards and solebar but the stanchions and axleboxes and springs are all in a contrasting dark colour. The lettering is similar to the Hornby model but EMPTY TO LACKENBY SLAG PLANT and it is for NORTH / EASTERN AREA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Magic, thanks for the help everyone, much food for thought. cheers Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The original Tatlow LNER wagons has two pictures of either end of 843E as per Hornby model ,one is a dark shade of ?? the other side is much paler shade of ?? Some LNER engineering stock was Cambridge Blue i.e Light Blue . Perhaps they were trying differnt colours in the photos ? At the moment no idea if the Hornby Grey is correct. The pictures appear id to the Hornby version to my eye. Tatlow states they were built by Leeds Forge Co not Metro cammell. Axleboxes in pictures are flat front with a single bolt head in the centre so a easy fix if the colour is not a problem ???? LNER version http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=35994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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