birdseyecircus Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Modelzone in Hull had all but the first maroon ones. There were around a good 15 or so of each on display a couple of weeks ago but only around half dozen of each left. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Congrats to Bachmann for producing a little stunner(s)! One red one blue grey! Just waiting for the netted versions now! Whoo hoo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 There were loads of all variants at the Bluebell on Friday in the Modelzone tent so they still have quite a lot yet! I resisted the urge for a red one, the grills behind the windows are rather nice though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 One tasty Blue/Gray beastie acquired.... What a corker.... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Technical/prototype question: This diag. TPO has a toilet vent at the end of the coach. Looking at the real thing, some pictures show the outline of a toilet window. Clearly shown here: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/museum/SVR/freight/SVR_W80300.jpg I would not be suprised to see this on the TPO's converted from SK's in the late 60's/70's, but on a purpose built TPO, why would such an aperture have been included and then blanked off. The side sheeting is unique to the TPO's. Does anyone have any insight? Was it originally intended that they had toilet windows and this was changed during construction? Were they released into traffic with such windows? Or was a standard fitment incorporating the toilet vent installed and modified to suit, rather than redesigning a whole new fitting? Unless the pictures of the preserved vehicle highlights damage repair, which would suggest plating from a normal mk1 spliced onto the TPO.... If anyone has any insights, I'd be interested. This may be a bit OT on the topic of the model. Just curious. Not sure if Parkin has anything to say (and don't have access to a copy atm) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 My home made one has a toilet window and I copied off a photo. However, it was a long time ago and I couldn't tell you which photo or what the diagram number was. I'm going to have to go searching for sorting frame side photos of the ScR trio now, I do hope I don't have to take a drill to my shiny new toy ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Built in 1959, the Diagram 720 Sorting Vans were fitted with a standard 2'-3" bodylight for the toilet compartment - plated over post the 1963 Great Train Robbery (part of the measures to reduce the number of bodylights) though the toilet compartment was retained - hence replacing the vent (BR Toilet Compartments smelled bad enough, what would it have been like without a vent.....? - though somehow on the Bachmann model the vent has crept down the bodyside a good bit (guess the laser slipped ). Splicing bits of other vehicles in is for 4mm plastic kits not 12" to the foot rolling stock (grant you they did it with old wooden framed stock)...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 My home made one has a toilet window and I copied off a photo. However, it was a long time ago and I couldn't tell you which photo or what the diagram number was. I'm going to have to go searching for sorting frame side photos of the ScR trio now, I do hope I don't have to take a drill to my shiny new toy ! I know we've already had this discussion, or have we...? Which were the ScR Three again, Stuart? I'll now go straight to it further up this very thread, just watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 I know we've already had this discussion, or have we...? Which were the ScR Three again, Stuart? I'll now go straight to it further up this very thread, just watch. 80315-80317 inc........! Chard "Warning this threads being robbed by Bandits"..."Warning this threads being robbed by Bandits".."Warning this threads being robbed by Bandits".."Warning this threads being robbed by Bandits"... (Sorry Stuart) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Thanks gents. Now I know the MZ one isn''t wrong, I think I'll just renumber my ficticious Galloway Sorting Tender and leave it in post '63 condition. The wobbly teenage lash-up has been donated to Mrs P's half of the trainset to go behind Spencer. Edit - Third pic down I know we've already had this discussion, or have we...? More than likely. I was probably in the loft looking for that 40 at the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Various thoughts on Toilets! Thank you Bob and Startup. An interesting history. I wonder why they didn't plate over the large door windows (I can understand the small top lights being left). Technically therefore these models are only correct for 1963 onwards, not late 1950's. Lots of history even within one single diagram. Now, are their any pictures of said toilet windows? Sorry to hear Bachmann have incorrectly placed the toilet vent - again probably a designer working in HK somewhere from a weight diagram or some other general drawing (or have they placed the vent at the same height as the toilet vent in the shallower Mk1 Pullman windows, given they follow a similar one piece side/ends design?). A shame, its not exactly the hardest thing to get right, they seem to have got everything else OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 More than likely. I was probably in the loft looking for that 40 at the time... Oh yeah, I recall. The 1Co-Co1 with an RA of 3. Cheeky shower on RMWeb.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeyethenoo Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 The TPO's seem to be selling well, only 70's blue/grey available on the MZ site and only 1 of the same here at the MZ in Glasgow! Glad I got my 60's version when I did! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 At least 3 Blue/Grey ones on display available for sale in Holborn. Just collected my 1960's TPO (advantage of a day off!). Pics or hopefully a video review to follow over the next few days. Looks through the box window to be fantastic in the flesh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 My local store have a theory. The initial MZ batch are post removal of the cage/collection gear, and MZ have the rights to this moulding (?). Would Bachmann be able to produce the earlier version with cage, and sell it in their full product range? This would tally with the Scenecraft TPO apparatus now advertised on the Bachmann site. Thus MZ gain from the initial glut of sales for the new model, and Bachmann get the novelty value set with flying mail sacks (well perhaps it won't be a working replica!) Sounds like a plan. I have Blue/grey and early versions, must say that the finish of both is excellent. N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 My local store have a theory. The initial MZ batch are post removal of the cage/collection gear, and MZ have the rights to this moulding (?). Would Bachmann be able to produce the earlier version with cage, and sell it in their full product range? This would tally with the Scenecraft TPO apparatus now advertised on the Bachmann site. Thus MZ gain from the initial glut of sales for the new model, and Bachmann get the novelty value set with flying mail sacks (well perhaps it won't be a working replica!) Sounds like a plan. I have Blue/grey and early versions, must say that the finish of both is excellent. N I was under the impression the tooling would pass to Bachmann after a period (possibly a year) for them to produce more models. Same thing has been done with exclusive diesel retools in the past. Dapol had a small dig at this method in mremag today as a response to a question on "cost of tooling" saying they would never use this agreement and the commissioner owns the tool with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
158722 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Just to stir things up a little. It might be the case that the new release run of Heljan 26/0s are more 'Limited Edition' than these limited editions.......... When is limited 'limited'??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
158722 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Just to stir things up a little. It might be the case that the new release run of Heljan 26/0s are more 'Limited Edition' than these limited editions.......... When is limited 'limited'??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baldrick25 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 An image of the original W80300 as seen at the Severn Valley Railway coach sheds , just after its repaint on 8th August 2010. Sorry the colours are slightly wrong but the damn orange lighting made it very difficult. A large image is available ( and others) if required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Just to stir things up a little. It might be the case that the new release run of Heljan 26/0s are more 'Limited Edition' than these limited editions.......... When is limited 'limited'??? Where's the evidence that it's not limited? A limited "exclusive" run of a set number (6000 in total in this case) of something meets the criteria. Hopefully Modelzone will be encouraged by sales of these to do some more of the less mainstream rolling stock. That Bachmann retains the rights to the tooling is neither here nor there, once this initial 6000 has gone, I'm pretty sure Bachmann are not suddenly going to immediately issue the same variants again in the hope that there's continued sales - extremely unlikely, given the vehicles relatively limited appeal. No all they've really done is gain the right to use the same tooling at some later/unspecified date. We won by getting quite a decent model, Modelzone win (hopefully) by selling them all - none discounted!, and Bachmann win by getting someone else to stump up a portion of the cost of manufacturer, and the rights to it much later. No paranoid thoughts of conspiracy, none of this info was hidden from the buyers, its just sound business all round surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
158722 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Where's the evidence that it's not limited? A limited "exclusive" run of a set number (6000 in total in this case) of something meets the criteria. Hopefully Modelzone will be encouraged by sales of these to do some more of the less mainstream rolling stock. That Bachmann retains the rights to the tooling is neither here nor there, once this initial 6000 has gone, I'm pretty sure Bachmann are not suddenly going to immediately issue the same variants again in the hope that there's continued sales - extremely unlikely, given the vehicles relatively limited appeal. No all they've really done is gain the right to use the same tooling at some later/unspecified date. We won by getting quite a decent model, Modelzone win (hopefully) by selling them all - none discounted!, and Bachmann win by getting someone else to stump up a portion of the cost of manufacturer, and the rights to it much later. No paranoid thoughts of conspiracy, none of this info was hidden from the buyers, its just sound business all round surely? I actually agree Bob and we have 3 TPOs. It was just that someone pointed out to me the build numbers of the recent 26/0s and that they are pretty small! Looking at the number of limited editions doing the rounds I begin to worry about the market place. Quite rightly you point out that the TPO was new tooling. Roll on another LE based on unique and new tooling..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BluenGreyAnorak Posted August 23, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2010 At least 3 Blue/Grey ones on display available for sale in Holborn. Not any more! With no more available on the website and none in stock at my closest store (Guildford), I gave the Holborn store a call and they were more than happy to post me a blue/grey one. Should be here tomorrow, with a bit of luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Video review now on Youtube (finally got round to uploading it on office's bandwidth!). I admit not perfect, and despite listing the features I wanted to discuss, some got forgotton (hence additions in video description!). I do rabbit on a bit... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeyethenoo Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Video review now on Youtube (finally got round to uploading it on office's bandwidth!). I admit not perfect, and despite listing the features I wanted to discuss, some got forgotton (hence additions in video description!). I do rabbit on a bit... Excellent vid review! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Incidentally, these vehicles appear to have been allocated to the Western when new. When did they start to migrate further afield? Dave. Sorry to top an older thread, but did this Q get answered? More specifically for my layout, would they ever have been seen in North London on the ex-GNR or LNER lines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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