pcc4199 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Are these coaches suitable fodder for camping coach/departmental use? Cheers. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Are these coaches suitable fodder for camping coach/departmental use? Cheers. Andy It depends on how accurate you want to be! I don't know how the LMS sourced theirs but other railways tended to use older stock such as clerestories or toplights on the GWR. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Camping Coaches? Simple answer no. Camping in railway coaches took off before the war and was revived after the war. So coaches tended to be of pre-group origins seeing as they were being withdrawn at the time. In addition, corridor coaches lent themselves admirably to conversion with room's leading off the side corridor and some partitioning removed to make sitting rooms. The LMS Lavatory stock was too useful to withdraw and lasted into the early 1960s. By 1972 the Camping coach theoligy had died. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcc4199 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Many thanks for the info. Cheers. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hancockshire Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Looks really nice. Anyone know if they are going to release different coaches? Western region stock perhaps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Looks really nice. Anyone know if they are going to release different coaches? Western region stock perhaps All the old WR moulds are with Hornby now I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Hello, has anyone heard any more about further variants/ liveries? Dapol's facebook last month mentioned that the brake coaches were ready, have these gone on sale? Any info would be appreciated, thanks Wild Boar Fell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Horizon Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Kernow Model Rail Centre have them for Sale.....Wild Boar Fell http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/36004/C96C_Dapol_57ft_Stanier_Non_Corridor_Brake_Coach_Kit Good price and being a kit lends itself to doing some upgrading/superdetaling. Blue Horizon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Can anyone advise how widespread these coaches were in real life please? For instance, did they run in Scotland in BR days and should there be a full third variant to go with the coaches currently released by Dapol? TIA Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 There were 25 of them. At least one was running in South Wales in 1958 so one or two may have got to Scotland. The value of these models, and of the non-corridor composite of which 25 were also built, is the ease with which they may be cut up and made into other LMS prototypes. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 The LMS built them as Inter-district sets formed of a Lav bk/3rd, Lav/Compo and Lav bk.3rd. The reality was they didn't always run in this neat formation and one bk/3rd could be an ex LNWR or L&Y vehicle, lavatory or no lavatory. They were built before the LMS decided it was far better to cascade older corridor stock which gave everyone access to a lav. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Thanks folks for the info. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Kernow Model Rail Centre have them for Sale.....Wild Boar Fell http://www.kernowmod...Brake_Coach_Kit Good price and being a kit lends itself to doing some upgrading/superdetaling. Blue Horizon Thanks for your help, they are also now on dapols shop site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Also available at Arcadia for those that visit Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked these coaches for accuracy? Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 The LMS built them as Inter-district sets formed of a Lav bk/3rd, Lav/Compo and Lav bk.3rd. The reality was they didn't always run in this neat formation and one bk/3rd could be an ex LNWR or L&Y vehicle, lavatory or no lavatory. They were built before the LMS decided it was far better to cascade older corridor stock which gave everyone access to a lav. In the early BR period say upto c1958 would this stock have been used on excursions from the Midlands into East Anglia? I note in photos of excursions to Clacton etc LMS stock is used, but as most photos tend to be front 3/4 of the loco, identifing the carriages is not easy. Regards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 In the early BR period say upto c1958 would this stock have been used on excursions from the Midlands into East Anglia? I note in photos of excursions to Clacton etc LMS stock is used, but as most photos tend to be front 3/4 of the loco, identifing the carriages is not easy. I simply don't know Paul. While non-corridor coaches were freely used from towns around Manchester to Blackpool, they weren't popular on long distances. Anything that could be dragged out of a carriage siding would be used at the peak of the summer but all I can say is photo albums covering your area of interest are your best course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 For anyone wanting to run a 3-coach Dapol Lavatory set in Scotland, I have just come across a photo by E R Wetherset showing LMS Compound 40903 bringing the 15.20 Edinbourgh-Carstairs train past Midcalder Junction in early BR days. The loco has full British Railways on its tender but it is impossible to say whether the coaches carry LMS lake or early BR carmine red livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Thanks Coach, you've just made my day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I simply don't know Paul. While non-corridor coaches were freely used from towns around Manchester to Blackpool, they weren't popular on long distances. Anything that could be dragged out of a carriage siding would be used at the peak of the summer but all I can say is photo albums covering your area of interest are your best course. Coachman, thank you for your reply; on the basis that LMS stock working excursions into East Anglia in the 1950s seamed to be a mixed "bag" (and the Dapol model looks good & good value) I purchased one of the kits, together with a pair of Bachmann bogies to replace those with the kit, as they appear better. Regards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I was thinking of getting a three coach rake. Looking at Free At Lasts picture they are pre numbered does anybody know if the brake coaches are pre numbered or have alternative numbers/transfers, don't really want two brakes with the same number. Not that hard to renumber I know but it would be another job on the long list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold slow8dirty Posted January 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2012 Mine sat waiting finishing off and, yup coach sides are pre-numbered. hth Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 OK Thanks for the reply Matt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 ...Over the years I have collected several Airfix coaches and upgraded them. Here's how I did it: http://bmrcm.org/wp-...ban-Coaches.pdf.... Ooh, thanks for that! I just bought a few of the Dapol kits and I was wondering how to backdate them to LMS days. This will be of great help. F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted January 11, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) I have just bought some of these, and have a question about the composite, C95C. To my eye, the roof vents would match up with the internals better if the roof was reversed. Built to the instructions, 3 of the vents coincide with internal partitions, whch seems odd to me. Have just spotted that the brake (C96C) roof is the same moulding, so I guess it's a generic moulding, matching neither. Perhaps a bit of research, filling and drilling is required... Thanks Dave Edited January 11, 2012 by unravelled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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