millerhillboy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 That particular Flickr seam is truly rich... I'll let others do the honours of the mining, but its certainly filled my last hour or so with seasonal cheer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Well, as we're on the subject, how about this anonymous Sad-Eyes, captured - it says - at 64A: http://www.flickr.co...57628297104467/ and a Tractor heading a classic line-up of WR traction at 64B: http://www.flickr.co...57628231522759/ http://www.flickr.co...57628231522759/ whilst over at Kingmoor, here are two of the Clayton breed, from the local or Clyde allocations, shy of traversing WR metals: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6435585789/in/set-72157628231522759/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Nice angled view of St Margarets... http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6462519729/sizes/z/in/photostream/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Indeed it is, and that's possibly your D1970 lurking on the departure road.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I And speaking of Met Cam's finest, it would be a heart of stone that could ignore this festive cracker at Coldstream, from the same Flickr set: http://www.flickr.co...57628233086623/ Coldstream?! Try Tweedmouth. You must have had a heavy night. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi Matt, I think you'll find that the BUR shed at Gretna Jcn has gone. At lease Bruce Mac and I couldn't find it last year when I was up. roygraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Coldstream?! Try Tweedmouth. You must have had a heavy night. Bernard Duly corrected. I seriously wonder about myself these days.... I've actually been on the wagon for the duration of the holiday, perhaps that's the real reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Indeed it is, and that's possibly your D1970 lurking on the departure road.... Fair old chance of it or one of her sisters. Sadly my D1970 set her sails a while back to the Bay of E. Replaced with a pre-Serck triple grill arrangement D1573 from the 'Toon. As seen here.... http://www.rmweb.co....693#entry547693 PS please excuse the route indicator values - haven't worked a way to change these yet that doesn't effect my sanity and turn the air blue at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 As soon as I can I'll send you the O.S. sheet. roygraham As promised. roygraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 That's the fella .... though I wonder what the reason was for having the shed so far away from the station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yes, it does seem strange but note that a) There was a crossover at the north end, and a loop south of the shed. B) In those days Longtown North S.B. was still in operation. c) Equally why did the BUR build an E.S. at Gretna Junction to which access was only from The G&SWR ? roygraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 That's the fella .... though I wonder what the reason was for having the shed so far away from the station? I also wonder what the rationale was for siting the station on the opposite bank from the town, when an ideal locus seems to suggest itself at the end of Esk Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I also wonder what the rationale was for siting the station on the opposite bank from the town, when an ideal locus seems to suggest itself at the end of Esk Street. Probably because locating the station there would have meant building two bridges over the Esk. (cost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It's probably a far my complex story. If we go back to just before 1846 there was more interest in an east west route rather than a north south one. Glasgow Dumfries and Carlisle Railway. In that case the station would almost certainly have been built in the town. The Caledonian laid claim to Gretna, even if it did build the station not only out of the town but actually in another country. This mean't that any proposed north south route would be forced to the east. Some plans show a proposed route to the east of Longtown joining up with the Newcastle and Carlisle line almost as far east as Brampton. Then there is the question of there being a passenger consideration in the original plans. Many of the lines in the area involved mineral extraction from land owned by the Duke of Buccleuch. Canonbie (choose your spelling) being a case in point. This revenue would have been far greater than that created by passenger traffic. Without a nod from his direction nothing was likely to have been built. I am no expert on such matters, but it does seem that this individual has had quite a part to pla,y not only in the history of the railways in the Borders, but on the landscape and general development of a fair sized chunk of the land. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It's probably a far my complex story. If we go back to just before 1846 there was more interest in an east west route rather than a north south one. Glasgow Dumfries and Carlisle Railway. In that case the station would almost certainly have been built in the town. The Caledonian laid claim to Gretna, even if it did build the station not only out of the town but actually in another country. This mean't that any proposed north south route would be forced to the east. Some plans show a proposed route to the east of Longtown joining up with the Newcastle and Carlisle line almost as far east as Brampton. Then there is the question of there being a passenger consideration in the original plans. Many of the lines in the area involved mineral extraction from land owned by the Duke of Buccleuch. Canonbie (choose your spelling) being a case in point. This revenue would have been far greater than that created by passenger traffic. Without a nod from his direction nothing was likely to have been built. I am no expert on such matters, but it does seem that this individual has had quite a part to pla,y not only in the history of the railways in the Borders, but on the landscape and general development of a fair sized chunk of the land. Bernard Don't forget that the proposed Brampton and Longtown Railway would have met many of these objectives and provided a freight route which would have by-passed Carlisle. roygraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Amid the run down atmosphere of a mid 60's Kingmoor, a V2 creeps onto the turntable, presumably having arrived on a Waverley Route freight: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Interesting picture that, Chris - look what's at Stainton! Not your typical WR freight, so by my reckoning that's come via Canal Jct to access Kingmoor Yard via the spur to the down Caley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Might have come in from the west behind a MetroVick. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Interesting picture that, Chris - look what's at Stainton! Not your typical WR freight, so by my reckoning that's come via Canal Jct to access Kingmoor Yard via the spur to the down Caley. I hadn't even noticed the activity in the background until you mentioned it, it makes that photograph a lot more interesting. Looks like the train is hauled by something in two tone green, although not very clear I rekon the shape is quite type 2 ish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Pristine Jocko at 64B in 1959. Note ex-works 16T mineral too! http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=37163 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hi Chard, Good to see you're back. I was beginning to think they'd left you at Riccarton to catch the next train roygraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 I'd be hitching a ride on a logger's rig, more like! That or kipping down in Will's Bothy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Well at least there were provisions there to keep you going until the next train! Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Aye, but sufficient to anaesthetize beyond the reach of the railway ghosts...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Had the odd "session" at Will's Bothy (Leysburnfoot), going back a few years mind you, before the 2 mile walk back up to Whitrope in the pitch black, nissed as a pewt with other WRHA founder members ... good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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