jimblesale Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hi, I am looking for some reassurance that the route indicator positions I have proposed in the plan are correct. The signal is in a yard area and trains can route out to either the parallel main lines or the branch. I have a suspicion that this may not the be the correct way of looking at this problem since I have assumed that the through route is the most direct looking at the geometry of the track plan. Any thoughts welcome, Jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
csvt2004 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I would have thought that you need a "left" hand indicator for the branch. Nothing for the main and a "right" hand indicator for the other route. The branch diverges to the left of the main line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I think you'd probably have no indication for the upper main line assuming this is the principal route, with a left indication for the branch. If there was a route to the lower main line, which there wouldn't be on a normal double track, then it would have a right hand indicator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ah, most interesting as Sherlock Holmes might have said. The simple answer is that if you're coming out of a yard - as seems to be the case here - route indication would be given by means of a stencil or theatre type indicator depending on era and Region. Using position light junction indicators (J.Is) in this case would - in my experience - be unusual but that doesn't mean it might not have happened somewhere and them what matters is not what the geometry of the pointwork looks like but which route is the principal route and where do the others lie in relation to it. In this instance I would suggest the Main Line might well be the principal route so there would be a Pos 1 JI to read to the branch and a Pos 3 to read to the line parallel to the Main. But in this situation I would consider JIs to be very unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimblesale Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thank you all for your help- that's given me some really useful perspectives on this problem (and solved another). I think I will go with the Stationmaster's solution - I was avoiding the whole stencil/ theatre indicator issue since I model in N-gauge but where there's a will... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 .... I was avoiding the whole stencil/ theatre indicator issue since I model in N-gauge but where there's a will... You can now get tiny SMD LEDs, so you've no excuse to avoid it now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Aspects Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd have to say as a Driver I would prefer a Theater Box, but obviously with the limitations of N I'd agree with cvst2004 of have No.1 for the branch and No.4 for the lower Mainline. Although the pivot light for the Junction Indicator is almost impossible to do with x2 Junction Indicators... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 24, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd have to say as a Driver I would prefer a Theater Box, but obviously with the limitations of N I'd agree with cvst2004 of have No.1 for the branch and No.4 for the lower Mainline. Although the pivot light for the Junction Indicator is almost impossible to do with x2 Junction Indicators... Almost but not quite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I think Matt is referring to N gauge... one supplier manages to do these in N but judging by the photos on their site, the pivot light is not at the right spacing from the other lights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Aspects Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Almost but not quite Hey Beast, A bit lost on what i've missed, the picture you have attached is of the 00 gauge layout Widnes Vine Yard and their superb gantry which I believe took about 10 people to make :-s I wish I had 10 poepl to help out on mine.... As Edwin said, I was reffering to the complex task of getting the pivot light to work on N gauge signals, hence why I only produce position 1 & 4 in N but can do as many as you like in 00 and 0. In fact i'm off to make some now ;-) All the best, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2011 10 people? I think you'll find it was just one and he's a member. I'd agree with Stationmaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2011 A bit lost on what i've missed, the picture you have attached is of the 00 gauge layout Widnes Vine Yard and their superb gantry which I believe took about 10 people to make :-s 2 but concurrently, not in parallel - and it's scratch built so it should get the nod from lots of quarters. Sorry, I thought you were generalising, there is only a brief mention of N gauge after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Aspects Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 2 but concurrently, not in parallel - and it's scratch built so it should get the nod from lots of quarters. Sorry, I thought you were generalising, there is only a brief mention of N gauge after all Thats ok beast, was it really two? I thought a couple of people in America helped out with making certain bits for it. I could have sworn that I had read that of the Wirral Finesclae website.... 10 people? I think you'll find it was just one and he's a member. I'd agree with Stationmaster. Congratulations to whoever did build it, it is a find peice of signalling art.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 28, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2011 Congratulations to whoever did build it, it is a find peice of signalling art.... Thanks, it was just the two, Tony Sissons (in the US) and Mike Turner (in the UK). Mike and I planted and wired it up, and I wrote the software to control it correctly (RailRoad and Co gives the basic control stuff, I put the rules into it, it's approach controlled (for some routes) and the call ons are automatic if they are required) hth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Aspects Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Thanks, it was just the two, Tony Sissons (in the US) and Mike Turner (in the UK). Mike and I planted and wired it up, and I wrote the software to control it correctly (RailRoad and Co gives the basic control stuff, I put the rules into it, it's approach controlled (for some routes) and the call ons are automatic if they are required) hth Well it is superb, I saw it at Woking last year... I absolutly love protypical signalling along with the systems that control it and Widnes Vine Yard ticks all the boxes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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