Fat Controller Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 were Grampus air braked? There were a few air-piped ones, modified from those with 4-shoe unfitted underframes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 There were a few air-piped ones, modified from those with 4-shoe unfitted underframes. A selection here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/grampuszbq Paul Bartlett 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Not one of my best photos, but here's a shot of air piped Grampus, ZBQ DB986323, at Crewe Gresty Lane, 27th July 1990. Paul J. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Always handy to have few "dutch" livery dogfish wagons... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Not one of my best photos, but here's a shot of air piped Grampus, ZBQ DB986323, at Crewe Gresty Lane, 27th July 1990. 09-90--015.jpg Paul J. On the contrary! A contender for "real things looking like models" if ever I saw one. C6T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Always handy to have few "dutch" livery dogfish wagons...Nice engineering fleet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 There were a few air-piped ones, modified from those with 4-shoe unfitted underframes. So in a mixed train,would they be behind the loco, or at the end but need a brake van? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Forgot about this, but it seems I never gave further updates on the state of the train! So, I did gain another open spoil wagon. Can't remember which type it is but it was in a Hornby box and was definitely air braked. I also gained another shark (Olive green this time), as there was a risk that my original may have received 'the Shenfield shark' treatment... but not anymore. I also picked up some ballast load moulds for the seacows/sealions to finish them off. THAT IS ALL 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 any pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 any pictures? Not yet... (They're all packed away in stock boxes somewhere in the spare room at the moment, sorry) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just a thought on ballast loads for hoppers. While a part loaded bogie hopper Sealion/cow etc is OK provided the loading difference end to end is not worse than 3:1, and you would have seen them full one end and empty the other as a lot of the PW would not know or care about the 3:1 rule. (Was 2:1 for four wheeled wagons if you are wondering). Four wheeled hoppers such as Cat and Dogfish should be either full or empty, as once you have started unloading them the stone leaving the hopper stops you closing the doors properly until the wagon is empty. If you try this the hopper will be in a state generally referred to as cracked (as in cracked open just how you would want it when ready to unload, so on the word of command from the supervisor a slight turn of the wheel will instantly start the unloading.) The problem is that a cracked hopper in traffic will dribble ballast as it moves down the line, and being hit by two inch stones travelling at 40MPH is only funny to those watching. If such a wagon was spotted you got behind something fast, I have before now been tucked in behind conveniently located S&T location cabinet that sounded like the other side was being machine gunned, as the ballast peppered it. The other downside of not being able to close the hopper doors was that if during unloading the driver stopped the train, the ballast would continue to drop out of the hopper which would end up sitting often derailed on a pile of ballast that all needed to be shoveled clear before the train could be moved again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Forgot about this, but it seems I never gave further updates on the state of the train! So, I did gain another open spoil wagon. Can't remember which type it is but it was in a Hornby box and was definitely air braked. I also gained another shark (Olive green this time), as there was a risk that my original may have received 'the Shenfield shark' treatment... but not anymore. I also picked up some ballast load moulds for the seacows/sealions to finish them off. THAT IS ALL any pictures? It was a ZBA Rudd 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Looks like a nice little engineering train 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 minutes in to this and my original question would have been answered 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Great find. hows the model rake? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 14/02/2012 at 23:34, Trog said: Although almost anything is possible at the right place and time. I once saw a loco hauling the Royal Train, while propelling three Dogfish. Were they carrying corgi's? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Baby Deltic said: Were they carrying corgi's? Would have been amusing if they had been. but they were just full of ballast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 23/12/2019 at 10:57, ess1uk said: Great find. hows the model rake? It's not going to get any longer than this now as it's at the maximum length for a 'short' train on the layout. I think I've a 31 to go at the front (somewhere) instead of the 37 just to mix it up a bit. There's also loads for the Sealions that still need adding when I find which box they were packed in. Undecided on whether to add loads to the wagons at the back or not. But overall, quiet happy with this 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 looks great 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbringer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I have vague memories of seeing a rake of seacows with a shark at each end. Having read this thread I have my doubts now. Is this a possibility or a no no given the sharks habit of digging in? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, Stormbringer said: I have vague memories of seeing a rake of seacows with a shark at each end. Having read this thread I have my doubts now. Is this a possibility or a no no given the sharks habit of digging in? Pete No reason why not! Sharks digging in is the whole point of their existence , badly set ploughs would be the problem. The S&T considered them legalised vandalism as the number of times AWS magnets were forgotten about! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Stormbringer said: I have vague memories of seeing a rake of seacows with a shark at each end. Having read this thread I have my doubts now. Is this a possibility or a no no given the sharks habit of digging in? Pete It was quite common to see a 'Shark' in the middle of a rake of bogie ballast hoppers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Stormbringer said: I have vague memories of seeing a rake of seacows with a shark at each end. Having read this thread I have my doubts now. Is this a possibility or a no no given the sharks habit of digging in? Pete It might depend whether the hoppers were sealions (dual braked), seacows (air braked and vac piped), or a mix of both. From a distance the types look similar. The majority of the sharks were vacuum braked, so could run on the rear of a train of sealions (which were dual braked). A few sharks were vac braked and air piped so could run inside a train of seacows (which were air braked). A very few sharks were air braked and so could run in the rear of a train of seacows. cheers 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rivercider said: It might depend whether the hoppers were sealions (dual braked), seacows (air braked and vac piped), or a mix of both. From a distance the types look similar. The majority of the sharks were vacuum braked, so could run on the rear of a train of sealions (which were dual braked). A few sharks were vac braked and air piped so could run inside a train of seacows (which were air braked). A very few sharks were air braked and so could run in the rear of a train of seacows. cheers In later life EWS fitted their remaining Sharks with air brakes that had been donated by condemned VEA’s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: In later life EWS fitted their remaining Sharks with air brakes that had been donated by condemned VEA’s. That's interesting knowing where the brake equipment came from. By that time I don't remember many sharks still in use on my part of the WR. DB993842 rang a bell, that was an air-braked one that I must have appeared in many TOPS train lists I produced. cheers 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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