uglykidjoe Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Today I did something I should have done ages ago, namely batch production. Instead of cutting up each Pandrol clip then fitting it separately, I cut lots up in advance then stuck them down in one go. Don't know if it actually saved any time but it did seem less boring. So all I need to do now with this point is ballast it. I have also painted some white lines along the edge of the walkway to the groundframe. I did this in a very watery white so that they look worn and not too white. Here a some snaps that hopefully show in detail what I have been doing. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 I got the last point ballasted yesterday, there just needs a little to be done once all the buildings are secure. In a day or two I will give the layout a good vacumn and fix the backscene on. Has anyone used 3M spray mount for this? As well as the completed trackwork I thought that it would be a good idea to include an overall view of the layout (and all the mess). Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayB Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I came across your layout only today and I must admit that it is incredibly detailed for a small space. With regards to the ballasting, is it common to have two colour types? Does this kind of signify the difference between the main running line and siding? I am not sure what type of ballast to use myself for a early BR Diesel period depot syle layout (small scale 8' x 2'). Experimenting. it would seem that after applying the PVA/Water mix, it dries quite a bit darker than expected. Any advice is welcome. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 Thanks Ray for the comments. The lighter ballast is to represent track that has been relayed replaced/rationalised recently. It does look better in the flesh so to speak. I will give the flat bottom track a light dry brushing. The lighter ballast is from Slaters unfortunately I can't remember where the darker one came from as it's left over from my other layout (12 years ago). I have used the Klea/IPA mix as suggested by our forum leader Andy Y Hope that helps, Steve (If anyone thinks that I have got the ballast thing wrong please let me know) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 This is the sort of effect I am going for.... http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=19402 Although this is Scotish pink ballast. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 Today I have been messing with the backscenes. I have never used 'proper' back scenes before, I can't believe the difference they make.... Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gronk the shunter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 That does look very good. I should make an effort and fit mine. Love the building with the curved roofs too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Looking good Steve I have used photo-backscenes, and find them a bit tricky to use It also depends onto what sort of surface you are sticking them.... I've used hardboard, and I would say "beware"! A previous background expanded when wet with glue, and then shrank again as it dried - result - it lifted off the hardboard I would always use something to prime the surface onto which you are mounting the backscene eg. flat white / grey undercoat And perhaps, I'd go for using "bendy MDF" as a base? I used photo spray mount, but you can get "air bubbles" when you stick the backscene down Barry Ten told me he saw some backscene adhesive (I think it was a woodland scenics product?) In our local Ian Allen shop.... I would try small piece, or offcut beforehand, just to get a feel for what works best I've tried several different ways of using these backscenes, and I'd be interested to know what you find works best..... Cheers again, and this layout is looking better all the time Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 That does look very good. I should make an effort and fit mine. Love the building with the curved roofs too. Thanks, just need to make sure that the horizon is correct as the layout is set for eye level viewing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 Looking good Steve I have used photo-backscenes, and find them a bit tricky to use It also depends onto what sort of surface you are sticking them.... I've used hardboard, and I would say "beware"! A previous background expanded when wet with glue, and then shrank again as it dried - result - it lifted off the hardboard I would always use something to prime the surface onto which you are mounting the backscene eg. flat white / grey undercoat And perhaps, I'd go for using "bendy MDF" as a base? I used photo spray mount, but you can get "air bubbles" when you stick the backscene down Barry Ten told me he saw some backscene adhesive (I think it was a woodland scenics product?) In our local Ian Allen shop.... I would try small piece, or offcut beforehand, just to get a feel for what works best I've tried several different ways of using these backscenes, and I'd be interested to know what you find works best..... Cheers again, and this layout is looking better all the time Marc Thanks for the advice Marc. I also feel like giving some double sided tape ago, at the top and bottom, as any ridges would be hidden by the buildings and facia pelmet respectively Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Good luck with that, and let us know how you get on I did hear of someone else using double-sided tape but I was concerned that you may be able to see where the edge of the tape is, through the background? Perhaps don't rub it down too hard? Cheers again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 Thanks Marc, as they say watch this space. I have also thought that now I know what the layout looks like with a backscene I don't need the building on the right. Anyone else agree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hi steve I'm really enjoying watching this develop, it has a good feel about it. I'm going to ask three really mundane questions, I hope you don't mind? 1) where did you get the clear section from to make the lights on the building? 2) whose is the corrugated sheet on the same half brick, half blue sheet building 3) how did you make the capping stones for the wall Cheers Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hi steve I'm really enjoying watching this develop, it has a good feel about it. I'm going to ask three really mundane questions, I hope you don't mind? 1) where did you get the clear section from to make the lights on the building? 2) whose is the corrugated sheet on the same half brick, half blue sheet building 3) how did you make the capping stones for the wall Cheers Guy No problem re-questions! The clear section came from a trader on eBay - did a search for clear plastic rodding (sorry can't remember who it was) The blue box section is from Wills just stippled was a brush The capping stones are plastic section scored to represent individual stones (Evergreen part no 168) BTW the join in the wall is meant to be there, it represents some modern walls that have a rubbery/tar compound between sections. Hope that helps Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share Posted July 20, 2012 I wondered what one of my tractors would look like on the layout... And another pic of the Bachmann gonk.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think that my question my have been lost within the photos and other chat.... Does the the layout look better with or without the large building on the right now that the backscene is in place. Maybe I should I just put some 'hard standing' there instead of the building, with a Portacabin and a fork lift? I could also put a small wall at the back to hide the backscene join. Also as the the layout has side wings, I might be able to get away without a bridge on the right. I am thinking of raising the land where the carpark is and putting some trees behind the re-cycling bins. I am considering using a Scenescene modern bridge on the left of the layout. Thanks in advance Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think we might need to see an overall view to give the best opinion. But I like it without the building, although I think it will need a fence or something to break up the backscene to baseboard join. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Thanks Guy. *When I first built the buildings on the wall I had planned to increase the height the wall to the right of the last building so that I could put a bridge over the tracks from there. I now think that a bridge would make the right too cramped, so I am open to ideas with what to to the right of the wall, as it the area to the right is at ground level. Definately think I will not use the Kibri building on the right of the pictures on this layout. *Pugsley did that on his layout Chittle, which is where I got the idea for for the raised buildings. This should go nicely on the left Here...... Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 More deliberation....again nothing stuck down yet hence gaps lopsidedness etc etc. (Sorry about the loose bit on the main building only noticed after I took the picture). A small facility seems to fill the gap nicely, I could have some steps down from the wall to tie it in too. I would also extend the small curved fence and wall to fit. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Hi Steve, Re your question... I did see it, but decided to come back to it and have another look.... I really did like the look of it there, I must say I think as a sort of "enter stage right" - it looked the part, in that as you watch a train entering view there, it forms a nice, solid, industrial, long-standing look Somehow, without it there, the scene looks "newer" as if it were a yard built more recently.... that may of course be what you're after, or may not matter at all..... An overall pic with, and without, and with the new bit in place, from the same viewpoint would help others - and maybe even you decide .... have you got a tripod? - so you can take exactly the same shot, with the different arrangements..... If it was my layout - I think I'd keep that building, but it isn't, and only you can judge the overall effect, when viewing the layout "in the flesh" Oooh decisions, decisions Cheers Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Or you could leave the building out.... ... and sell it to me, of course lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks Marc, maybe I could make the scenes removable, then I could change at will - best of both worlds? I have made one decision though, I don't like the small wall/curved fence. It needs something more 'industrial'. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 An overall pic with, and without, and with the new bit in place,from the same viewpoint would help others - and maybe even you decide .... have you got a tripod? - so you can take exactly the same shot, with the different arrangements..... I don't have a tripod but I was able to take the layout into the garden and use some garden furniture.... Still can't decide.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Definately prefer some building being there, as opposed to none... Think I still prefer the old warehouse, but looking at that, I think I'd make it a disused warehouse... But then I seem to like the "run down" look..... ... a deep psychological problem? - perhaps Hmm, decisions decisions...... I'll look again later.... Whichever you decide to go for, I'm sure it'll be the right choice Cheers again Marc PS. I'm enjoying this Have we started layout building at a distance? Is it concievable that someone build a layout - BUT all major decisions are made by proxy, from a distance??? Have I just suggested the next rmweb challenge? Why are those men in white coats looking at me......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglykidjoe Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Thanks Marc again. (I have a fascination of old decaying buildings regularly looking at www.28dayslater.co.uk) How about leaving the warehouse looking rundown, with a modern anex - something that VDA vans can be shunted into. I used to work for British Vita and there were lots of old mill buildings with modern box section cladding attached. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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