Arthur Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Rangers, you're right, the original was allocated to Stocksbridge and Tinsley Park works, they were both part of the Special Steels Division which was headquartered in Sheffield. I'll check, but I think Tubes was headquartered at Corby and General Steels, of which Trafalgar works is part, at Scunthorpe. However, we do have some leeway in registration plates. Many BSC liveried lorries were operated under contract by local hauliers. Edwards of Lydbrook, here in the Forest of Dean, operated some AEC Mercury V and Atkinson tractor units on contract to, and lettered for, Ebbw Vale. We'll return to a suitable registration at the appropriate time. I think you'll find that most hauliers superglued on their numberplates in the 1970s, I intend to follow prototype practice...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Mark, There were instances of class A tanks used to carry class B products...another interesting modelling option. I'd be surprised if diesel was used to fuel furnaces.....sounds too expensive. Cheers Dave Edited December 31, 2012 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 That's coming along very nicely. I've pondered a layout based on one of the ironstone quarries many times, I walk the dog across the remains of one every day and visit several others fairly regularly, the Hattons class 14 was a bit of a catalyst for it, one thing I'd considered was how to match the BSC blue for the essential transit van, I hadn't realised Precision do it in their range. How are you going to letter the Guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 30, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2012 Back to lorries for a while. When I got the cars the other week I spotted an EFE Atkinson 8 wheeler in the second hand cabinet for £5, although these early EFEs weren't all that good I thought I could do something with it, The cab has been repainted (it was in Suttons bright red) and the rear body has had its 'sides' filed away to make it flat, they were a scale 3-4" above the floor and didn't look right at all. I have struggled to find photos of this early type with single headlights but I managed to find two of the same lorry as original as a tanker and in fairground service as a flatbed. I am using it's identity despite not knowing what condition it was in in 1975 it will at least be an 8 wheeled Black Knight with single headlights! As a tanker. As a flatbed. I'm hoping to remove the EFE lettering from the tyres and add the second bumper, I've added step rings to the front wheels using slivers of plastic tube. It will also get mirrors, grab handles, wipers and hopefully a better (etched - does anyone do one?) 'Big A'. Watching that clip from The Gaffer the thing that struck me was the works yard and entrance, was it then prototype for Stubby's building?Wally I thought that as well Wally. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 30, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2012 Bernard TPM does the Atkinson 'A's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Thanks Rangers, yeah, the Precision BSC blue was a recent find for me too. it looks lighter in the photo than it does in the flesh. Lettering?......all will be revealed shortly! Oh, yes. The Guy 8 wheeler is from the Lledo Trackside range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Dave's right, it would be a heavier fraction than diesel oil. Fuel oil seems to be a term covering a range of products. It might have been something like Bunker C, a heavy fuel oil used in boilers, furnaces (and UPs gas turbines). Certainly a class B product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted December 30, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2012 Thanks - must admit I've never really understood the distinction between Class A and Class B. If we want Class B tanks, I think these would be the correct livery, (under all that grime) http://www.ehattons.com/52670/Bachmann_UK_37_582C_45_Ton_TTA_Tank_Wagon_Shell_Black/StockDetail.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Mark, Fuels with a lower flash point (more volatile) are class A whilst those with a higher flash point are class B. The tank in the link looks fine. Cheers Dave Edited December 30, 2012 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Thanks Rangers, yeah, the Precision BSC blue was a recent find for me too. it looks lighter in the photo than it does in the flesh. Lettering?......all will be revealed shortly! Oh, yes. The Guy 8 wheeler is from the Lledo Trackside range. One I made earlier ! For your interest. Merf. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Nice Merf. Have you modified that from the Lledo model and, if so, did you use the original glazing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2012 Thanks - must admit I've never really understood the distinction between Class A and Class B. If we want Class B tanks, I think these would be the correct livery, (under all that grime) http://www.ehattons.com/52670/Bachmann_UK_37_582C_45_Ton_TTA_Tank_Wagon_Shell_Black/StockDetail.aspx That is a Class B tank car. Simple to tell the difference - in the period you are modelling Class B cars were all black and Class A cars were pale grey with red solebars. And there was also a limit on the size of the company markings which could be applied to tank cars. Colour restrictions were relaxed in later years allowing, for instance even some variance from the strict grey/red. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2012 Put a good layer of protective foamboard over the track this morning and then went in big saws blazing. Will have to get the hoover out now! There will be photos of progress but not just yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Put a good layer of protective foamboard over the track this morning and then went in big saws blazing. Will have to get the hoover out now! There will be photos of progress but not just yet... No pictures! Please! I'm not over the last lot yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotstar5 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 My current car is a 54 reg (8 years old) Rover 45 and there isn't a spot of rust on it, so even Rover improved... You can thank Honda for that, when Rover built Honda badged cars they decided to adopt the Honda quality standards across all the model ranges. Back to period vehicles, what about Land Rovers? Seies II, IIA and III would all have been around at the time, company bosses may have been driving round in Range Rovers. By the way, I'm a "green oval" fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 You can thank Honda for that, when Rover built Honda badged cars they decided to adopt the Honda quality standards across all the model ranges. Back to period vehicles, what about Land Rovers? Seies II, IIA and III would all have been around at the time, company bosses may have been driving round in Range Rovers. By the way, I'm a "green oval" fan I feel I must disagree with your last suggestion. The Mk I Range Rover (none more than 4 years old in BCB era) was overwhelmingly the choice of the gentleman farmer and country set. The Chelsea Tractor phenomenon was unheard of at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotstar5 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I feel I must disagree with your last suggestion. The Mk I Range Rover (none more than 4 years old in BCB era) was overwhelmingly the choice of the gentleman farmer and country set. The Chelsea Tractor phenomenon was unheard of at this time. - Range Rover a "Four-In-One" car: "A luxury car" "A performance car" "An estate car" "A cross country car" From the 1970 launch literature, my reasoning was the first 3 would appeal to a company director, also the proximity of Solihull to location of BCB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I don't want to get into an argument on what is definitely a side issue in this topic, but I feel that at the time, there was a disconnect between how BL saw their market for the RR, and the kind of punters who, initially, actually bought them. It took fully 10 years imho for their vision to become reality, and due credit to them too; they invented a new class of vehicle, later dubbed SUV, which was copied the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2012 Watching that clip from The Gaffer the thing that struck me was the works yard and entrance, was it then prototype for Stubby's building? Wally As far as I can remember, I've never seen an episode of 'The Gaffer'. I've no real idea where the inspiration for the gate arch came from, it just seemed the right thing to do for the era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I don't want to get into an argument on what is definitely a side issue in this topic, but I feel that at the time, there was a disconnect between how BL saw their market for the RR, and the kind of punters who, initially, actually bought them. It took fully 10 years imho for their vision to become reality, and due credit to them too; they invented a new class of vehicle, later dubbed SUV, which was copied the world over.Local to me, 30 years ago, Lord Normanby had one. 15 years ago, my boss had one (farmer). Now, the girl on the hotel spa reception at work has one... Edited December 31, 2012 by Worsdell forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2012 You can thank Honda for that, when Rover built Honda badged cars they decided to adopt the Honda quality standards across all the model ranges. Back to period vehicles, what about Land Rovers? Seies II, IIA and III would all have been around at the time, company bosses may have been driving round in Range Rovers. By the way, I'm a "green oval" fan I feel I must disagree with your last suggestion. The Mk I Range Rover (none more than 4 years old in BCB era) was overwhelmingly the choice of the gentleman farmer and country set. The Chelsea Tractor phenomenon was unheard of at this time. I too am a Land Rover owner and fan, but I agree with 28XX, company bosses of the time would have had Rover P4s or P6s, or Jaguar XJ6 / 12s (or perish the thought, Ford Granadas). Despite BL's marketing efforts, it wasn't until the mid 80s that the Range Rover became seen as an executive car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 From the 1970 launch literature, my reasoning was the first 3 would appeal to a company director, also the proximity of Solihull to location of BCB? I dont know about the 70s but in the 80s there was certainly a disproportionate amount of cars from longbridge and vans from leyland in the birmingham area. What was the predescessor of the sherpa? Cheers Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldknotty Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Where can one get OO scale decals made for specific lorries etc ,I need a mail order spot as i am in the USA Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Where can one get OO scale decals made for specific lorries etc ,I need a mail order spot as i am in the USA Martin Try this lot; no E-mail, alas:- http://www.roadtransportimages.com/ They even do 'Beresfords'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 31, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2012 Probably my last post of 2012, so here's wishing that everyone has a great New Year's Eve. Thanks to those that have read, assisted or given moral assistance to the BCB project this year - hope to see as many of you as possible at the BRM shows in 2013. Have a happy, healthy and prosperous 2013 folks. TTFN Chris 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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